Do we want a Sinn Fein government ?

[Ogiol]

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Do they? I believe they hijacked the peace in the late sixties and proceeded to polarise opinion in a way that has guaranteed the union for at least another generation. And what is the result of all the murder and mayhem? Their leader is a TD here and their deputy leader is joint leader of Stormont council in the north.

A roaring success they are not.

Jaysus, there's no worse blind person that one that doesnt want to see.

Hows about a short comparison of the situation of the catholic minority before 1970 to what that situation is now? No, no difference what so ever, is there?

Hows about a mini gaelic revival, through the progress of the GAA, irish language amongst other things. You think any of these things would have been possible without SF ??

[bernadette]

Jaysus, there's no worse blind person that one that doesnt want to see.

Hows about a short comparison of the situation of the catholic minority before 1970 to what that situation is now? No, no difference what so ever, is there?

Hows about a mini gaelic revival, through the progress of the GAA, irish language amongst other things. You think any of these things would have been possible without SF ??

How about all those were ready to go by 1972? All won by the equal rights movement and sfa to do with PIRA.

The Gaelic revival has been more hindered than helped by PIRA or the GAA. The GAAs unforgivable tendency to name stadia after dead murderers is guaranteed to alienate the majority of people.

The difference is SF were told the facts of life by the Brits and Irish governments. Only now are the people being given the opportunity to grow and stretch into themselves. It will take years for old scars to heal and be forgiven, that's the legacy of PIRA.

[Ogiol]

How about all those were ready to go by 1972? All won by the equal rights movement and sfa to do with PIRA.

The Gaelic revival has been more hindered than helped by PIRA or the GAA. The GAAs unforgivable tendency to name stadia after dead murderers is guaranteed to alienate the majority of people.

The difference is SF were told the facts of life by the Brits and Irish governments. Only now are the people being given the opportunity to grow and stretch into themselves. It will take years for old scars to heal and be forgiven, that's the legacy of PIRA.

So northern catholics were just supposed to sit back while the orangies firebombed their houses, tried to carry out pogroms and that on top of the socioeconomic violence they practiced. Stormont was taken down by the catholic resistance to the orange aparthite state.

So the GAA name stadia after dead murderers. Jaysus, youd think that a subjugated and colonised people had no right whatsoever to throw off the chains of oppression! No, wait lets we shouldve just voted them out back then, that would've the civilised thing to do

[bernadette]

So northern catholics were just supposed to sit back while the orangies firebombed their houses, tried to carry out pogroms and that on top of the socioeconomic violence they practiced. Stormont was taken down by the catholic resistance to the orange aparthite state.

So the GAA name stadia after dead murderers. Jaysus, youd think that a subjugated and colonised people had no right whatsoever to throw off the chains of oppression! No, wait lets we shouldve just voted them out back then, that would've the civilised thing to do

Peaceful protest was working, most of the gains were already agreed before some nutters found a way to indulge their sadistic tendencies.

Once the Brit government took control the end of loyalist gang rule was in sight but that didn't suit the leaders of the thug gangs.

Colonised people, Gerry Adams snr could have taken his family across the border or anywhere else at any time. He didn't because dole in the UK paid better back then and he liked his life. King of his own little dung hill.

[Ogiol]

Peaceful protest was working, most of the gains were already agreed before some nutters found a way to indulge their sadistic tendencies.

Once the Brit government took control the end of loyalist gang rule was in sight but that didn't suit the leaders of the thug gangs.

Colonised people, Gerry Adams snr could have taken his family across the border or anywhere else at any time. He didn't because dole in the UK paid better back then and he liked his life. King of his own little dung hill.

Peaceful protest was working you say? well, to an extent yes, but there tends to be a bit of urgency when your whole community is being burned out by maurading loyalist gangs.

It would be naif to think that the brits would bring the loyalist gangs under the thumb when the brits have such a rich and ancient history of promoting and funding violent groups all around the world. Divide and conquer was and is their policy.

Why should gerry adams senior or otherwise HAVE to move away from the place they were born, from their community? It was their community and somepeople had to stand up and protect it. Would you rather that all the catholic irish people just up and left the 6 counties to the orangies??

[5intheface]

How about all those were ready to go by 1972? All won by the equal rights movement and sfa to do with PIRA.

The Gaelic revival has been more hindered than helped by PIRA or the GAA. The GAAs unforgivable tendency to name stadia after dead murderers is guaranteed to alienate the majority of people.

The difference is SF were told the facts of life by the Brits and Irish governments. Only now are the people being given the opportunity to grow and stretch into themselves. It will take years for old scars to heal and be forgiven, that's the legacy of PIRA.

Peaceful protest was working, most of the gains were already agreed before some nutters found a way to indulge their sadistic tendencies.

Once the Brit government took control the end of loyalist gang rule was in sight but that didn't suit the leaders of the thug gangs.

Colonised people, Gerry Adams snr could have taken his family across the border or anywhere else at any time. He didn't because dole in the UK paid better back then and he liked his life. King of his own little dung hill.

Bernadette, your lack of knowledge on matters northern is phenomenal. What's worse is that no matter what is said to you, you revert to the sae position, blame everything on the provos and SF. You don't seem to have caught on to the fact that what the provos were and what SF is now are two wildly different things. You, by the strength of your posts, are the absolute epitome of the type of person who swallows the utterly skewed version of history that the media, on the whole, serves up.

To actually claim that The Civil Rights movement (I presume you mean) gained so much is simply untrue. They got beaten off the streets. To characterize what happened as nutters fulfilling some blood lust is the laziest half-assed attempt at understanding what happened. Are you aware of what the bspecials/UDR were up to at the time? The provos didn't cause that. They didn't cause 50 years of vote-rigging, discrimination and pogroms. No but don't worry about the truth, get stuck into the ra like RTE and the daily trash tell you.

For your information, the Loyalist organisations were established, armed, run and supplied with information from the British State from day 1 so there never was any case for them getting control.

I have a great problem with Adams but the dole comment is the sort of crap Rab from Rathcoole would phone Stephen Nolan to rant.

Also, I don't know of any GAA stadia named after murderers unless you consider Pearse or Connolly murderers? I could be wrong.

One hurling club in Ireland is named after someone from the last phase of the conflict and that's Kevin Lynch's in Dungiven. Lynch was INLA and died on hunger strike. He was the captain of the first Derry hurling team to win an All Ireland title so it's hardly surprising that the club is named for him.

Again, it's usually Loyalists bigots that bring this up.

Other than that, the only other thing I can think of is a South Derry cup named after Francis Hughes/Tom McElwee. Again both hunger strikers and to be honest, if you had grown up in South Derry in the 70s and been subject to the behaviour of state forces, you'd have been very glad to have had Hughes who put manners on the bastards and till the day I die I'll have no problem saying that to anyone.

And one last thing bernadette, if you think the tramps that led one 26c government after another were a positive force in any respect then you are insulting yourself more than those of us who've been hearing that crap all our lives.

It's funny, the reason you seem to hate SF is because of the violence of the Provos and yet I wouldn't vote for them now but did through the 80s and 90s.

If you are big enough to stop for a second, drop the blinkers and actually think about one thing, let it be this. Generalisations about the PIRA are pointless, it was a different animal in 71 from what existed in 76 or 83 or 93. It was also a much different thing in South Armagh, East Tyrone from what existed in the cities. One size does not fit all.

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Peaceful protest was working, most of the gains were already agreed before some nutters found a way to indulge their sadistic tendencies.

Once the Brit government took control the end of loyalist gang rule was in sight but that didn't suit the leaders of the thug gangs.

Colonised people, Gerry Adams snr could have taken his family across the border or anywhere else at any time. He didn't because dole in the UK paid better back then and he liked his life. King of his own little dung hill.

You can get treatment for that kind of psychological illness bernadette.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis

[bernadette]

Peaceful protest was working you say? well, to an extent yes, but there tends to be a bit of urgency when your whole community is being burned out by maurading loyalist gangs.

It would be naif to think that the brits would bring the loyalist gangs under the thumb when the brits have such a rich and ancient history of promoting and funding violent groups all around the world. Divide and conquer was and is their policy.

Why should gerry adams senior or otherwise HAVE to move away from the place they were born, from their community? It was their community and somepeople had to stand up and protect it. Would you rather that all the catholic irish people just up and left the 6 counties to the orangies??

I happen to think there are a lot of people in Gerry Adams seniors community who would have been happy to see the back of him. For a long time some, not all, but some so called republicans used the sectarian nature of the north to on the one hand claim victimhood and on the other abuse the community they lived in.

When you say why should? the answer is: why not? The north wasn't going anywhere but moving might, almost certainly would, have improved the life styles and opportunities of the families.

[bernadette]

You can get treatment for that kind of psychological illness bernadette.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis

What?

[5intheface]

I happen to think there are a lot of people in Gerry Adams seniors community who would have been happy to see the back of him.

That would have been expressed as the biggest majority in Westminster General election?

[riposte]

What?

People are OK; thus each person has validity, importance, equality of respect.[2]
Everyone (with only few exceptions, such as the severely brain-damaged) has the capacity to think.[2]
People decide their story and destiny, therefore these decisions can be changed.[2]

Freedom from historical maladaptations embedded in the childhood script is required in order to become free of inappropriate, inauthentic and displaced emotions which are not a fair and honest reflection of here-and-now life.

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[bernadette]

That would have been expressed as the biggest majority in Westminster General election?

Vote early, vote often is the answer to that.

[5intheface]

Vote early, vote often is the answer to that.

That's bull5hit. Plain and simple and more evidence that you'll accept anything without question.

Vote early and vote often was all the rage in the 70s. SF didn't stand in elections until the early 80s.

And btw, the only parties ever found guilty of election malpractice were the SDLP and the UUP. (Financial irregularities)

[bernadette]

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Quote:
People are OK; thus each person has validity, importance, equality of respect.[2]
Everyone (with only few exceptions, such as the severely brain-damaged) has the capacity to think.[2]
People decide their story and destiny, therefore these decisions can be changed.[2]

Freedom from historical maladaptations embedded in the childhood script is required in order to become free of inappropriate, inauthentic and displaced emotions which are not a fair and honest reflection of here-and-now life

Very interesting. I think it applies far more to you more than it does to me,

[riposte]

That's bull5hit. Plain and simple and more evidence that you'll accept anything without question.

Vote early and vote often was all the rage in the 70s. SF didn't stand in elections until the early 80s.

And btw, the only parties ever found guilty of election malpractice were the SDLP and the UUP. (Financial irregularities)

You left out Fianna Fail.

as dramatic as the events of February 18, 1982 when Charles Haughey's election agent, Pat O'Connor, was sensationally charged with attempting to vote at two polling stations in the tight Dublin North constituency. By lunchtime on polling day, the damaging news was splashed across the front of the Evening Herald