Do we want a Sinn Fein government ?

[fluffybiscuits]

First off to set the record straight I have a very intense dislike for SInn Fein but lets face it they are going to get into government in the next election but do we want them there? We all know about the IRA past of Maguinness and the questions over Adams past and Mary Loo being ex FF. Do we want these people running the country ? They supported the blank cheque for the bankers and today tried to appeal to the popular vote by throwing drama queen antics and walking out of the Dail. Who are these people? They dont represent me. The future however of SF looks bright, they have Pearse Doherty whom is not attached to the old guard and is not tainted by the past. The man is a beacon of light on what should be a sinking ship.


Floor is open for comment....

[culmore]

sinn Fein are the New FF, they will be in government in about 10 yrs time

[fluffybiscuits]

sinn Fein are the New FF, they will be in government in about 10 yrs time

Not sure about the new FF but they will tow the populist line. They are worried if they dont they wont get in at all. Tell the people what they want to hear...

[Dr. FIVE]

sinn Fein are the New FF,

+10

Will say anything to get in, will do the same as the rest when if they do.
No clothes, codding yourself if you think otherwise because there is no evidence to the contrary

[Cáthasaigh]

+10

Will say anything to get in, will do the same as the rest when if they do.
No clothes, codding yourself if you think otherwise because there is no evidence to the contrary

+∞

I've been saying SF were the new FF for ages and if given the opportunity they will indulge in the same gangster politics.

[Dr. FIVE]

Sinn Féin minister found guilty of religious discrimination

http://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-m...95007-Jun2012/

[Ogiol]

First off to set the record straight I have a very intense dislike for SInn Fein but lets face it they are going to get into government in the next election but do we want them there? We all know about the IRA past of Maguinness and the questions over Adams past and Mary Loo being ex FF. Do we want these people running the country ? They supported the blank cheque for the bankers and today tried to appeal to the popular vote by throwing drama queen antics and walking out of the Dail. Who are these people? They dont represent me. The future however of SF looks bright, they have Pearse Doherty whom is not attached to the old guard and is not tainted by the past. The man is a beacon of light on what should be a sinking ship.


Floor is open for comment....

I dont have an intense dislike of Sinn Féin, I understand the reasons for the beginning of the troubles and am an Ulster person so have a desire 4 my country to be reunited. (the border has reeked economic havoc in all the border counties) I would certainly want them running the country but in a coalition with the ULA so as to keep them in left-wing check. I am, though, aware of their long-game strategy and of the pragmatism of the leadership, so if they drifted to the centre I would certainly not blindly vote for them. Currently, and for most of their recent history they are left of centre, where there is a big gap in the market and maybe where the old 'real' social demacratic parties would have been. I'm also convinced that the young guns are certainly more left-wing than the older ones. So, Yes, I do want to see them in government, but not quite yet. If they can force FG in with FF after the next election I think they can do the country a big service. I feel they might just do that. (FG will not be able to gain a majority with only labour and indos).

[riposte]

Do we want these people running the country ?
Floor is open for comment....

Fluffy ....... who are "we"? ......... and referring any group of humans as "these people" is a term of demonisation ........which exhibits an extreme negative bias.

The Floor may be open ..... but the Chair is not impartial.

[Slim Buddha]

Sinn Fein are economically illiterate but then, so are the schoolteachers running things now. This government will not get within 30 seats of getting re-elected but if it came to a choice between Sinn Fein and the Frankenstein's monster of a resurgent Fianna Fail, I would pick the Shinners as the lesser of two evils.

[Shaadi]

Yes, but I'm under no illusions that they'd be that much different than the others. They are at least outsiders ( for now ) who don't have the establishments hand up their backsides.

I want a left of centre Govt, that provides a decent social safety net, educational system and universal health care. I also want a business friendly environment to provide employment and the wealth creation. These are necessary goals for SF to reach if they want to make a UI attractive to the people of the six counties.

How do I get what I want? I vote for the candidates and parties most likely to provide that. I'll vote for the ULA/SF/IND even though the ULA wouldn't be seen to be pro-business. I'd give a chastened Labour party a vote in the future if they copped themselves on.

I gave FG a number 2 in 2007 as a protest against Ahern. It felt dirty, but it was a pragmatic way of using my vote to fight Aherns corruption. We're all going to have to get a little dirty if we want to defeat the monopoly that FG/FF hold on the the senior partner position in Irish Govt.

Politics is the art of the possible, those who oppose the Irish establishment and it's lackeys vice like grip on the country should be prepared to work together to defeat it. That means left/right and centre using their combined 50% non FF/FG vote to knock these establishment lackeys off their perch.

[Slim Buddha]

Yes, but I'm under no illusions that they'd be that much different than the others. They are at least outsiders ( for now ) who don't have the establishments hand up their backsides.

I want a left of centre Govt, that provides a decent social safety net, educational system and universal health care. I also want a business friendly environment to provide employment and the wealth creation. These are necessary goals for SF to reach if they want to make a UI attractive to the people of the six counties.

How do I get what I want? I vote for the candidates and parties most likely to provide that. I'll vote for the ULA/SF/IND even though the ULA wouldn't be seen to be pro-business. I'd give a chastened Labour party a vote in the future if they copped themselves on.
I gave FG a number 2 in 2007 as a protest against Ahern. It felt dirty, but it was a pragmatic way of using my vote to fight Aherns corruption. We're all going to have to get a little dirty if we want to defeat the monopoly that FG/FF hold on the the senior partner position in Irish Govt.

Politics is the art of the possible, those who oppose the Irish establishment and it's lackeys vice like grip on the country should be prepared to work together to defeat it. That means left/right and centre using their combined 50% non FF/FG vote to knock these establishment lackeys off their perch.

No sign of them ever copping on. Each time they go into coalition, they have their noses in the trough and wonder why the electorate "disproportionately" punish them at the following election. Hopeless cases.

[Saoirse go Deo]

I'm a member of SF but I don't want them in government the next time round, the time after perhaps.

Although I could be swayed by some major constitutional concessions or if they are by far the senior party in a coalition.

[Baron von Biffo]

No sign of them ever copping on. Each time they go into coalition, they have their noses in the trough and wonder why the electorate "disproportionately" punish them at the following election. Hopeless cases.

The one time that Lab did deliver on their manifesto was in the 92/97 governments - They were hammered for their pains.

Funnily enough, the only other time I can recall a party honouring its manifesto was FF in 77 - They were hammered for their pains.

In Irish politics, honouring pledges costs seats.

[fluffybiscuits]

I dont have an intense dislike of Sinn Féin, I understand the reasons for the beginning of the troubles and am an Ulster person so have a desire 4 my country to be reunited. (the border has reeked economic havoc in all the border counties) I would certainly want them running the country but in a coalition with the ULA so as to keep them in left-wing check. I am, though, aware of their long-game strategy and of the pragmatism of the leadership, so if they drifted to the centre I would certainly not blindly vote for them. Currently, and for most of their recent history they are left of centre, where there is a big gap in the market and maybe where the old 'real' social demacratic parties would have been. I'm also convinced that the young guns are certainly more left-wing than the older ones. So, Yes, I do want to see them in government, but not quite yet. If they can force FG in with FF after the next election I think they can do the country a big service. I feel they might just do that. (FG will not be able to gain a majority with only labour and indos).

Just spotted this thread now , this is an oldie thread ! I think that they would be best in government with ULA , each other could keep an eye on the other. Shinners do have an approach to business and leave the social policies up to the ULA, both could do well working in tandem. Shinners have a future but need to ditch the old guard in Adams and Maguinness and send Mary Loo off to be an ambassador to Antartica or something like that if they get into government. They can be the real alternative but need to stop with the populist bullshit

[Saoirse go Deo]

Whats wrong with Mary Lou? I think she is fantastic