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    Sida ?
    FF dont play the Irish public for fools, they know them to be.

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    Thanks - it seems to be delayed - for 12.00 midday now.

    Goal is making sound criticisms of the response in Haiti.

    I'm lobbing them a few bob on the credit card

    I am sickened by the fact that people are going to be let die of thirst while people sit on their hands.

    People can manage for a week or so without food, but not without water.

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    Ah Well posted


    Yep things are far from ideal in the relief mission that's for sure ... nor will they be ideal anytime soon I'd be thinking

    Still ... waiting for a positive future thinking step to be taken by the EU here ... maybe that's a deluded hope ... here's hoping anyway

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    Aid will be sent, but it is all very political and it will be too late for a lot of people. Effectively, there has been a US occupation of Haiti, that up to the earthquake had UN/IMF presence. The airport has been used for ferrying out white expats and ferrying in military and State Department people. while some field hospitals and food aid have been turned away.

    I haven't heard if the PMs of the other islands have been allowed in yet.

    The reflex from the EU will be to try to muster a semblance of Lisbon type integration of military/civil aid, as Dick Roche put forward yesterday on Newstalk.

    It is about zones of influence, not about getting water into people before they are dead

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    Posted on Tok 16 January by estouxim


    The Militarization of Emergency Aid to Haiti: Is it a Humanitarian Operation or an Invasion?

    Michel Chossudovsky

    shows pictures of some of the emergency relief equipment Obama is sending to Haiti. And he puts some numbers on them.
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    There are the same disgraceful racist pictures being painted of what is happening as happened after Hurricane Katrina. Does anyone remember tabloid press stories of gang war, rape and robbery in the conference centre, that turned out to be total invention ?
    I posted a link on another thread here last night, from the Herald, which confirmed that exaggerated stories about violence had been put out.
    This to my mind is a US invasion carried out on a people devastated by natural disaster. Send the doctors in my all means, but under a proper arrangement with the Haitian government. I would like to know when they propose to leave.
    I'm just linking the thread on the history of Haiti here
    http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/vi...208&mforum=tok
    To describe people taking food and bedding from destroyed shops as looting, when there is no food supply, no water and no organised relief, is either stupid or deliberately blackening the name of the people of Haiti.
    Cue - these people are to blame for their situation as they are savage - which is already being seen around the internet.
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    Posted by estouxim Jan 16

    Quote Originally Posted by cactusflower
    To describe people taking food and bedding from destroyed shops as looting, when there is no food supply, no water and no organised relief, is either stupid or deliberately blackening the name of the people of Haiti.
    Cue - these people are to blame for their situation as they are savage - which is already being seen around the internet.
    Exactly, that's the spin that is being spread, starting right after the first news of the quake.
    In 2010 both legislative and presidential elections should take place. Fanmi Lavalas, Jean-Bertrand Aristide's party, has been excluded from the last Senate elections (90% of voters boycotted it) and has again been excluded from the Feb. parliamentary election.
    State structures have been dismantled, not by the quake but by both IMF under Clinton and US/UN under Bush interventions. The lack of response following the quake will increase support fot Lavalas. The elections will most probably be postponed or suspended. This is imo the reason for all this concentration of military means. A Lavalas victory, wich is certain if it is allowed to run, would see the return and certain election of Aristide. This is unaceptable for the US, the lat thing they want is another ALBA member. No matter how many lifes it takes.
    The spin is therefore necessary in order to legitimize, on the eyes of the public, the sending of troops instead of rescuers and doctors.
    Equally, the bullshit about the airport was the PR operation to justify it's control by US military. They have allready taken possetion of it.
    Two-faced Democracy in Haiti
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    Then they will let as many die as possible.
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    Posted by estouxim Jan 16



    cactusflower wrote:Then they will let as many die as possible.

    That is what I fear. Haiti has allways been used as an warning example. They mean to keep it that way.
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    The US is controlling the airport and there are disagreements over access
    France's Cooperation Minister Alain Joyandet told The Associated Press that he had filed an official complaint to the U.S. government after two French planes, one carrying a field hospital, were denied permission to land.
    A plane carrying the prime ministers of two Caribbean nations also was forced to turn back late Friday due to a lack of space at the airport, the Caricom trade bloc announced.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cb_haiti_earthquake
    If anyone has any good leads on the best way to send money/aid, or to give political help, please post. We'll put an announcement up.
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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/0288041...PeZq9IxIF;_ylu=

    Louisiana became the 18th of the United States back in 1812, but you'd never have known it watching the Federal government's ham-fisted response to 2005's Hurricane Katrina. The Obama Administration is doing things differently: Haiti, for all intents and purposes, became the 51st state at 4:53 p.m. Tuesday in the wake of its deadly earthquake. If not a state, then at least a ward of the state - the United States - as Washington mobilized national resources to rush urgent aid to Haiti's stricken people. "Our nation has a unique capacity to reach out quickly and broadly and to deliver assistance that can save lives," President Obama said Friday. "That responsibility obviously is magnified when the devastation that's been suffered is so near to us." (See how to help the Haiti victims.)

    Obama has already dispatched a senior member of his national security team, Deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough, to the scene. An armada of U.S. warships is steaming toward Haiti, to be joined by at least one Coast Guard cutter en route from the Pacific via the Panama Canal - and manned and unmanned aircraft. Within two hours of the quake, one of the globe's biggest warships, the carrier USS Carl Vinson, was ordered from off the Virginia coast toward Haiti, swapping its jet fighters for heavy-lift helicopters as it steamed south at top speed. Three ships, including the Vinson and the hospital ship USNS Comfort, boast state-of-the-art medical facilities that will care for injured Haitians. Thousands of troops are on their way to Haiti or already there, running the airport and clearing ports for many more to follow. Up to 10,000 troops will be in Haiti or floating just offshore by Monday. 

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    Candide posted

    Can we assume Rivada is there?
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    Yes, if not there now, as soon as they think its safe to go in and pick over the pieces.

    The extent to which Haiti has been subjected to repeat invasion, massacres, CIA backed coups and gross theft of their resources and revenues is shocking to me, even though I thought nothing much could surprise me at this stage - this time line just goes up to 2002. The US army went in again in 2004. At this stage, sending the army in is a reflex and any idea that the US state has any concern for the lives of Haitians for the birds.

    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43a/396.html[/quote]
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    16,000 is the number of troops recommended by in 2004 as necessary to invade Haiti.

    16,000 is what they are getting.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0121/1news_av.html?2685849,null,230?2685877,null,230
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    Quote: I wish to thank you for your email to Minister Martin outlining yourconcerns regarding the relief efforts in Haiti in the aftermath of theearthquake. Minister Martin has asked me to reply to you on his behalf. The UN Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) hasconfirmed that a coordination platform has been created between WorldFood Programme (which is in charge of humanitarian logistics under theUN), the US Air Force and MINUSTAH (United Nations Stabilisation Missionin Haiti) to facilitate the arrival of life-saving cargo, includinglanding clearance procedures and criteria for prioritisation. Thecoordinating group meets nightly to discuss the day's events andplanning for the coming day. In addition, the UN is working closely with the US military on thecoordination of air traffic at the Port au Prince airport. Whilecongestion at the airport remains a problem, due to its small size,damage to the control tower and the volume of incoming traffic,alternatives to the airport are now available. These include the portsat Port-au-Prince and elsewhere, and an air-bridge and overland routefrom the Dominican Republic. The Irish Government recently used thisoverland route to ship 84 tonnes of humanitarian supplies to Haiti fromour stockpiles. These included tents, blankets and kitchen sets whichhave been distributed by Goal and Concern. A further shipment of 40tonnes will be sent shortly. Ireland and the wider international humanitarian community will continueto closely monitor the response to the needs of the people in Haiti andthe manner in which it is delivered. Again, on behalf of Minister Martin, I wish to thank you for forwardingyour concerns for the people of Haiti.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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