The Labour Party in Government

[DCon]

Nope - anything that can bring about the collapse of the govt is welcome -

still doesn't answer my question though - if these people have bona-fide lefty claims then their attitude to UHI is relevent in order to judge where they really stand.

Both government parties clearly favoured some form of UHI in their election manifesto's

A fairer, more affordable health system. Labour will reform the unfair two-tier health system to reduce the cost of delivering care, and use those savings to extend universal access to essential medical care. We will start by making access to primary care, such as GPs, more affordable.

http://www.labour.ie/download/pdf/la...festo_2011.pdf

Labour in Government will introduce Universal Health Insurance. From Day One in
office, Labour will begin the phased introduction of a universal health insurance
system. Each phase will improve access to health care.
This document sets out the steps on the path to a universal system of health care
insurance, which will guarantee access to care in need, without discrimination on the
basis of income. This is a realistic, costed and achievable programme of reform.

http://www.labour.ie/download/pdf/fairhealthcare.pdf

FairCare will gradually dismantle the HSE and replace it with a system of Universal Health Insurance (UHI) starting in 2016, based on the very efficient Dutch model of healthcare. Ireland will have a strong public health system in which the State guarantees equal access for all to quality healthcare with the insurance companies administering the system. Once UHI is introduced the unfair and inefficient two-tier health system will be eliminated. Every citizen will have private health insurance with the state paying for children/students and those on medical cards. It will subsidise those with low income. Public hospitals will remain under public ownership but will be given much more freedom to run themselves. (See section 13)
Prior to the introduction of UHI Fine Gael will introduce a series of reforms to make the system more efficient and fairer. This will allow us to minimise the impact of budget cuts on frontline services.

http://www.finegael2011.com/pdf/Fine...%20low-res.pdf

[Dr. FIVE]

yerman on Vinb during the week lamented "the media lock us into a debate about personalities" & and within four days they are announcing a meeting on Reilly?

[C. Flower]

yerman on Vinb during the week lamented "the media lock us into a debate about personalities" & and within four days they are announcing a meeting on Reilly?

Also on privatisation, which is what matters. The report mentions that in the last sentence...

[Dr. FIVE]

Let's hope they focus their cross-hair closer to home then

[DCon]

Also on privatisation, which is what matters. The report mentions that in the last sentence...

It's OK..Labour are agin it

Labour in Government will not privatise the VHI because Labour does
not believe that the Universal Hospital Care Insurance system should be given over to
for-profit insurers.

http://www.labour.ie/download/pdf/fairhealthcare.pdf

[Jolly Red Giant]

http://www.labour.ie/download/pdf/fairhealthcare.pdf

Two problems here -

1. The implementation of any form of UHI (irrespective of whether the money si collected by a state or private inusrer) inevitably leads to the wholesale privatisation of the health service.

2. As the Dutch discovered, EU competition law will force the opening of the health insurance market.

[C. Flower]

Nope - anything that can bring about the collapse of the govt is welcome -

still doesn't answer my question though - if these people have bona-fide lefty claims then their attitude to UHI is relevent in order to judge where they really stand.

They will be discussing members concerns on privatisation on Wednesday.

They will have to decide where they stand, if they have not already done so.

[Greengoddess]

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"Labour principles must shape Budget 2013 to support economic recovery"


On Monday, three Labour Party public representatives, Patrick Nulty TD, Tommy Broughan TD and Nessa Childers MEP will jointly called for Budget 2013 to be the catalyst for a clear shift in
Irish economic policy. They are demanding a shift in thinking away from blunt austerity towards a pro-growth agenda based on a sustainable tax model.

In particular three proposals are recommended for consideration for inclusion in the budget as follows:

·******** A Wealth Tax
·******** A Bankers Tax on financial transactions
·******** A new 48% rate of income tax on incomes over €100,000

[Richardbouvet]

The Campaign for Labour Policies also has a pre-budget submission due for release in the next week or 2.

[DCon]

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"Labour principles must shape Budget 2013 to support economic recovery"


On Monday, three Labour Party public representatives, Patrick Nulty TD, Tommy Broughan TD and Nessa Childers MEP will jointly called for Budget 2013 to be the catalyst for a clear shift in
Irish economic policy. They are demanding a shift in thinking away from blunt austerity towards a pro-growth agenda based on a sustainable tax model.

In particular three proposals are recommended for consideration for inclusion in the budget as follows:

·******** A Wealth Tax
·******** A Bankers Tax on financial transactions
·******** A new 48% rate of income tax on incomes over €100,000

Good luck.

But Gilmore will not budge from the Right, I fear

[DCon]

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·******** A Bankers Tax on financial transactions

Noonan has stated he will not bring this in unless the UK does. The UK never will.

Hence, Noonan never will.

[Greengoddess]

Noonan has stated he will not bring this in unless the UK does. The UK never will.

Hence, Noonan never will.

He who doesn't try etc.

[EMUII]

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"Labour principles must shape Budget 2013 to support economic recovery"


On Monday, three Labour Party public representatives, Patrick Nulty TD, Tommy Broughan TD and Nessa Childers MEP will jointly called for Budget 2013 to be the catalyst for a clear shift in
Irish economic policy. They are demanding a shift in thinking away from blunt austerity towards a pro-growth agenda based on a sustainable tax model.

In particular three proposals are recommended for consideration for inclusion in the budget as follows:

·******** A Wealth Tax
·******** A Bankers Tax on financial transactions
·******** A new 48% rate of income tax on incomes over €100,000

What is your next move if your demands are ignored ? Is there enough people behind this to give it a genuine voice ?

[disability student]

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"Labour principles must shape Budget 2013 to support economic recovery"


On Monday, three Labour Party public representatives, Patrick Nulty TD, Tommy Broughan TD and Nessa Childers MEP will jointly called for Budget 2013 to be the catalyst for a clear shift in
Irish economic policy. They are demanding a shift in thinking away from blunt austerity towards a pro-growth agenda based on a sustainable tax model.

In particular three proposals are recommended for consideration for inclusion in the budget as follows:

·******** A Wealth Tax
·******** A Bankers Tax on financial transactions
·******** A new 48% rate of income tax on incomes over €100,000

In addition to that, change the residency rules in regards to taxation from no of days to property here.

I propose a rule where a tax fugitive (not tax exile- my emphasis) have a property whether is it a investment or residence, then it's deemed to be resident. It would net more high net worth people and increased take take.

Scrap rules re days or alternatively increase numbers of days much higher.

[Greengoddess]

DEAGLÁN DE BRÉADÚN, Political Correspondent

Parties of the centre left in Europe had to prove to voters that they had “credible answers” for dealing with the economic crisis, Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore said today.

In an address to a conference of leading European social democrat politicians on the issue of "Progressive Governance", the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade said the mood in Europe was shifting towards the centre left: “But we have to build now, on that success.”

Chairing a session entitled "Steering Europe out of the Crisis", former Northern Ireland secretary Peter Mandelson asked the participants to state whether they felt there was “something inherently flawed” about the euro zone’s original design.

British shadow chancellor Ed Balls said the best analogy was with a group of people who decided to engage in the “really dangerous” practice of off-piste skiing.

“You’ve never done it before and you’re going down the mountain tied together. One of your members falls: what do you do?

“You can’t stop halfway down the mountain and start having a discussion about why this person hadn’t been doing more fitness training for the last five years.”

Seventeen member states were involved: “I wouldn’t say it was inherently flawed, but the scale of the political task was monumental and hugely underestimated.”

He added: “I don’t think the scale of the challenge was ever properly taken on board by the political process.”

Swedish shadow finance minister Magdalena Andersson said that although there “faults in the construction of the euro and the euro zone”, she initially thought Sweden should join but she was not sure now.

Austrian Hannes Swoboda, leader of the Socialists and Social Democrats in the European Parliament, said there were “many flaws and mistakes” but it would be “a disaster” to withdraw from the euro zone.