The Labour Party in Government

[DCon]

At least Joan will hold FG to account


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Politics of rebuilding the country, creating jobs, ensuring people who rely on social welfare and pensions have a "decent income"

[Cato]

Fintans article is almost unbearable to read. There is another equally difficult one on CDR. The question is asked as to why they seem to be indifferent to the destruction of the Party. If I had known .......
In relation to Fintan's thesis, one of the FF people last year said to me" FG will be as bad in two years as we were after 25" . Are we enabling that I wonder .

It's right on the nose as was Jody Corcoran's on Sunday (sad to say). Members need to apply pressure here as the PLP seem frozen. That being said, there are real questions over the leadership and management that brought Labour into this mess.

[Baron von Biffo]

Yes but few if any know these people and their perceptions are based on media performance and profiles. Revulsion is an emotional response but indifference is politically lethal in that nobody would worry if Gilmore stays in position or goes. For a political leader to be the nearest thing to irrelevant is very dangerous for any party. If people don't take the leader of a party seriously, then it is only a short time before they stop taking the rest of the party seriously. That's why Gilmore has to reestablish his authority within Labour.

Regards...jmcc

Indeed, but what I was getting at was that the public contempt for Cowen was such that every FF TD saw their seat was at risk for so long as he remained leader. Anyone else would have been an improvement.

For Lab TDs today there's at least a calculation to be made as to whether any likely successor to Gilmore would make things better or worse.

[Dr. FIVE]

It definitely could be said the FG & Lab are actually worse then FF because they have seen what came before.
They had FF to learn from but have simply taken power as their turn which they most know is the opposite of what people wanted.

[Dr. FIVE]

Gov statement: Eamon Gilmore "agrees with what the Taoiseach said in the Dail"

- ie, primary care cannot be delegated to Labour's Alex White

[DCon]

Gov statement: Eamon Gilmore "agrees with what the Taoiseach said in the Dail"

- ie, primary care cannot be delegated to Labour's Alex White

So what will the Junior Minister with responsibility for Primary Care be responsible for?

Fielding calls from Lord Doctor Reilly's constituents?

[Dr. FIVE]

Currently engaged in his first debate on the TG's drug addiction services motion

[DCon]

Gov statement: Eamon Gilmore "agrees with what the Taoiseach said in the Dail"

- ie, primary care cannot be delegated to Labour's Alex White

Carlsberg don't do ineffective, weak leaders of the smaller party in coalition governments, but if they did..

[DCon]

who are these guys?

A spokesperson from The Campaign for Labour Policies will be on #vinb tonight .

[Dr. FIVE]

http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/201...bour-policies/

[DCon]

http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/201...bour-policies/

Shortall should be their first TD

[jmcc]

Shortall should be their first TD

She'd probably want to be leader. Roll on the Rebel Alliance.

Regards...jmcc

[Baron von Biffo]

Shortall should be their first TD

You don't wish them well then?

[MPB]

Carlsberg don't do ineffective, weak leaders of the smaller party in coalition governments, but if they did..

The pity for Labour was the age profile of their leader and his closest allies.

Labour in Govt was always going to be about Ministerial Pensions and positions on State or Semi State Boards post retirement.

[Dr. FIVE]

Predictions of Labour decimation greatly exaggerated http://www.irishexaminer.com/archive...ed-209755.html