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    The pagans of Ireland will be out in force too. This is the night they believe that they bridge betwee the world of the undead and the living is open and they carry out rituals accordingly. I dont know if any of you know the village of Fore in Westmeath near Delvin but every Halloween they carry out their rituals in a part of the village and same every solstice and equinox

    http://wicca.com/celtic/akasha/samhainlore.htm
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    I was thinking to myself last night about the so called custom of ''trick or treating.''

    What are we teaching our children? Were i live the kids come knocking and if they don't get money or sweets they're likely to blow your letter box off with a firework.

    Could'nt that be classed as demanding money with menaces?

    Trick or treat is a stretch on the original custom of leaving bread and the likes on your doorstep for the visiting spirits, whoever modified the practice into virtual armed robbery to be practised by children has some explaining to do as such practice my be the foundation of criminal careers.

    OK, i hear you all, ''lighten up'' you say. But modern ''trick or treat'' is a take on the middle ages and the late medievil practice of Souling when poor folk would go door to door on Hallowmas [November 1st] receiving food in return for prayers for the dead on all Souls day [November 2nd] Originating in Ireland and Britain.

    More on Trick or treat here....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trick-or-treating
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    I was thinking to myself last night about the so called custom of ''trick or treating.''

    What are we teaching our children? Were i live the kids come knocking and if they don't get money or sweets they're likely to blow your letter box off with a firework.

    Could'nt that be classed as demanding money with menaces?

    Trick or treat is a stretch on the original custom of leaving bread and the likes on your doorstep for the visiting spirits, whoever modified the practice into virtual armed robbery to be practised by children has some explaining to do as such practice my be the foundation of criminal careers.

    OK, i hear you all, ''lighten up'' you say. But modern ''trick or treat'' is a take on the middle ages and the late medievil practice of Souling when poor folk would go door to door on Hallowmas [November 1st] receiving food in return for prayers for the dead on all Souls day [November 2nd] Originating in Ireland and Britain.

    More on Trick or treat here....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trick-or-treating
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    I don't recall trick-or-treat as a kid. It seemed to become widespread in the 80's and I thought of it as an American practice. I didn't know it had its origins in the poor offering prayers for food on All Saints (or curses maybe if there was no food? Menacing too?)

    Luckily the kids round here are great, but perhaps I've been paying protection money to them ?

    Thanks for the information on the Púca.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    I was thinking to myself last night about the so called custom of ''trick or treating.''

    What are we teaching our children? Were i live the kids come knocking and if they don't get money or sweets they're likely to blow your letter box off with a firework.

    Could'nt that be classed as demanding money with menaces?

    Trick or treat is a stretch on the original custom of leaving bread and the likes on your doorstep for the visiting spirits, whoever modified the practice into virtual armed robbery to be practised by children has some explaining to do as such practice my be the foundation of criminal careers.

    OK, i hear you all, ''lighten up'' you say. But modern ''trick or treat'' is a take on the middle ages and the late medievil practice of Souling when poor folk would go door to door on Hallowmas [November 1st] receiving food in return for prayers for the dead on all Souls day [November 2nd] Originating in Ireland and Britain.

    More on Trick or treat here....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trick-or-treating
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    Im built like a tank, Im going to buy one of those V for Vendetta masks and threaten to kick their doors in unless I get Milky Ways
    I recall one Halloween night when a couple of characters used it as cover to rob the local off-license. Such a shame really as it gave Frankenstein and Wolfman a bad name.
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    'Milky Ways or I'll introduce you to the stars'. I suspect it is all a con by the fine ankled of Eire. They pretend to be escorting the kids around to keep the priests off them but in reality it is all for the free chocolate.

    They are out there. Waiting. Like wolves. Like wolves that really like chocolate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Con O'Sullivan View Post
    It sometimes strikes me as peculiar that there is such a debate about the Irish language and its place in modern society in Ireland and a determined section of the population committed to its preservation- but the language of symbols from our original culture is condemned I feel to those regarded as eccentric by many.

    All of the folklore means something and has an origin- whether it be the story of the monster in the lake which was obviously useful in keeping children away from treacherous waters to the refined folklore wrapped up in old traditions and hidden beneath a surface layer of occultism.

    Historians pay great attention to folklore as they know it can carry hidden messages and clues to life back beyond written records and we are extremely lucky and the envy of many in having such a rich tapestry of tradition going back beyond memory. I consider the folklore as a kind of oral hieroglyphic and one thing I am absolutely sure of- that underneath the layer of modern middle eastern mythology which is artifical in its construction and alien to us in form however powerfully it may have been impressed upon us over the last mere thousand years underneath is something far richer.

    Priests and bishops, to their irritation, know that their mediterranean caper is a mere layer on top of something far older, native and it runs deeper than they ever could reach into the Irish cultural consciousness.

    I won't go on too much about the bloody italian mess and its half-arsed mediterranean tomfoolery but it is one of the major bones I have to pick with that organisation or cult- apart from the current degeneracies it also attacked our own culture- and I'm pleased to have found that there was a core they could never get at. Just one of the reasons why I despise that cult and would see the back of them.

    We spend so much time in attempting to be like the Americans or the English in their obsession with consumerism as if there was anything worth having long term in copying their cultures. We'd be far better off in archaeology and rediscovering our own culture which lies hidden under the thin layer of nonsense we adopt from abroad and I've a feeling we'd be far happier and more confident as a people if we did.

    We've no need to be envious of other cultures. Our own is old enough to be envied.
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    Trow, some great posts there. Just wondering did you ever hear or experience what I know as "being lifted"? My grandmother and her sister when they were kids back in the early 20's were walking through a field on their way home after rambling in a neighbours....there was no road into that townland so ya had to go by field. Anyway's as the girls were walking for a while they realised that they were no closer to the other side of the field than they were when they started. They kept walking but could not get out of the field. Eventually after an hour or so (it should have taken them 10 mins max) they got on their way.
    Me and my cousin tried to experience the same thing years back and went walking the same fields on Halloween night but unfortunately nada

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    Trow, some great posts there. Just wondering did you ever hear or experience what I know as "being lifted"? My grandmother and her sister when they were kids back in the early 20's were walking through a field on their way home after rambling in a neighbours....there was no road into that townland so ya had to go by field. Anyway's as the girls were walking for a while they realised that they were no closer to the other side of the field than they were when they started. They kept walking but could not get out of the field. Eventually after an hour or so (it should have taken them 10 mins max) they got on their way.
    Me and my cousin tried to experience the same thing years back and went walking the same fields on Halloween night but unfortunately nada
    Hi Fraxinus, thanks, hav'nt heard the experience you mention being refered to as ''being lifted'' I have observed on a number of occasions shifts in time and time standing still within an ''unseelie court'' [name given to a wicked fairy ring.]

    I have been physically lifted off the ground by a Trow who attacked me after cutting down an Oak tree. He came at me on a bullwand, descended and manifested into human like form, slapped me up the face calling me a wee Bastar*
    In the blink of an eye he then vanished and i felt myself rise off the ground to a state were i was arched back, toes just off the ground and with a feeling like an electric current running through me.

    I was rescued by an older friend who ran back for me and grabbed my hand. It was because he was holding the chainsaw that the Trow let go of me.

    What your Grandmother experienced is a most common observation within rings. It does'nt happen everyday and most likely on unsuspecting travellers who venture to such places.

    Remember that these little folks a telepathic, they'll know your intentions. The best and most dangerous rings are within forests and woodlands and especially near old water courses and Oak trees. A growth of all things sacred to the Celts such as Mistletoe, fairy thorn close by is a very good indicator of active rings.

    Should ever you find yourself in one think in to yourself how splendid the place is and compliment on the beauty of it. And don't ever damage anything.

    Between Halloween and early January you can provoke the wicked fairies by standing near a ring [especially in wooded areas] and praising Jesus Christ.
    They'll respond. Try that on Halloween night. Carry Iron with you.

    I second your view of Captain Con O' Sullivans post above. I sense i've waited a lifetime for someone to come out and say those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    Hi Fraxinus, thanks, hav'nt heard the experience you mention being refered to as ''being lifted'' I have observed on a number of occasions shifts in time and time standing still within an ''unseelie court'' [name given to a wicked fairy ring.]

    I have been physically lifted off the ground by a Trow who attacked me after cutting down an Oak tree. He came at me on a bullwand, descended and manifested into human like form, slapped me up the face calling me a wee Bastar*
    In the blink of an eye he then vanished and i felt myself rise off the ground to a state were i was arched back, toes just off the ground and with a feeling like an electric current running through me.

    I was rescued by an older friend who ran back for me and grabbed my hand. It was because he was holding the chainsaw that the Trow let go of me.

    What your Grandmother experienced is a most common observation within rings. It does'nt happen everyday and most likely on unsuspecting travellers who venture to such places.

    Remember that these little folks a telepathic, they'll know your intentions. The best and most dangerous rings are within forests and woodlands and especially near old water courses and Oak trees. A growth of all things sacred to the Celts such as Mistletoe, fairy thorn close by is a very good indicator of active rings.

    Should ever you find yourself in one think in to yourself how splendid the place is and compliment on the beauty of it. And don't ever damage anything.

    Between Halloween and early January you can provoke the wicked fairies by standing near a ring [especially in wooded areas] and praising Jesus Christ.
    They'll respond. Try that on Halloween night. Carry Iron with you.

    I second your view of Captain Con O' Sullivans post above. I sense i've waited a lifetime for someone to come out and say those things.
    Your friend was lucky he wasn't confronted by the Trow as well!

    Can't rememember if there are fairy forts in that field or not. I meant to add that herself and her sister were 12 and 14 and it was a moonlit night, so it wasn't just 5 years olds getting lost in the pitch black.

    Funny enough...or not so funny actually, around the same time as that happened (give or take a few years) my grandmothers cousins (her father and the man next door were brothers) were also their neighbours. One day my great grand fathers brother, the man next door, decided to flatten a fairy ring on his land. He flattened half it one day and that night a brother of my gandmothers was coming home from a rambling house when he heard blood curdling shrieking like he never heard before. When he got to the house he told his family but they passed it off as foxes. Next day it turned out my grandmothers cousin, the daughter of the man who half flattened the ring fort, wouldn't talk and was acting very peculiar. Anyways she never came back to normal and as far as I know spent the rest of her days in what was termed a mental institution at the time. Everyone put it down to messing with the fairy fort and the half that was left was never touched again.

    I came across a fort in a conifer forest last year, complete with a couple whitethorns. It had a real mysterious and ancient feel about it especially as it was surrounded by a thick wall of trees...the foreign spruce tree meets the native furniture...but the trees were only planted up to its edge. My job was to mark a 30 metre setback from the edge of the fort because the trees were due to be harvested...hopefully it was far enough for those guarding the fort!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    Your friend was lucky he wasn't confronted by the Trow as well!

    Can't rememember if there are fairy forts in that field or not. I meant to add that herself and her sister were 12 and 14 and it was a moonlit night, so it wasn't just 5 years olds getting lost in the pitch black.

    Funny enough...or not so funny actually, around the same time as that happened (give or take a few years) my grandmothers cousins (her father and the man next door were brothers) were also their neighbours. One day my great grand fathers brother, the man next door, decided to flatten a fairy ring on his land. He flattened half it one day and that night a brother of my gandmothers was coming home from a rambling house when he heard blood curdling shrieking like he never heard before. When he got to the house he told his family but they passed it off as foxes. Next day it turned out my grandmothers cousin, the daughter of the man who half flattened the ring fort, wouldn't talk and was acting very peculiar. Anyways she never came back to normal and as far as I know spent the rest of her days in what was termed a mental institution at the time. Everyone put it down to messing with the fairy fort and the half that was left was never touched again.

    I came across a fort in a conifer forest last year, complete with a couple whitethorns. It had a real mysterious and ancient feel about it especially as it was surrounded by a thick wall of trees...the foreign spruce tree meets the native furniture...but the trees were only planted up to its edge. My job was to mark a 30 metre setback from the edge of the fort because the trees were due to be harvested...hopefully it was far enough for those guarding the fort!
    My friend was carrying something made of iron remember [chainsaw] your safe with iron unless the Trow calls up a lightening storm.

    I know many stories of people who have damaged fairy rings, forts and trees who have had years of misfortune thereafter.

    If you think you know of an active area then pay it a visit on 6th January, [little Christmas] All the little folks are away that day. If it is an active ring you'll be greeted by a friendly wild animal [the guardian spirit/spirits] that will remain with you the entire time you're there. Sometimes there'll be rare looking fish if there's a pool there.

    In the ring i know of two little birds accompany me. It's a sight to behold as they fly around me like little angels. Their stare is amazing. It's like their looking right into you. I've brought sceptics to the ring to witness this and they could'nt help but be amazed at the interaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    My friend was carrying something made of iron remember [chainsaw] your safe with iron unless the Trow calls up a lightening storm.

    I know many stories of people who have damaged fairy rings, forts and trees who have had years of misfortune thereafter.

    If you think you know of an active area then pay it a visit on 6th January, [little Christmas] All the little folks are away that day. If it is an active ring you'll be greeted by a friendly wild animal [the guardian spirit/spirits] that will remain with you the entire time you're there. Sometimes there'll be rare looking fish if there's a pool there.

    In the ring i know of two little birds accompany me. It's a sight to behold as they fly around me like little angels. Their stare is amazing. It's like their looking right into you. I've brought sceptics to the ring to witness this and they could'nt help but be amazed at the interaction.
    I must do that so on little Christmas and see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    I was thinking to myself last night about the so called custom of ''trick or treating.''

    What are we teaching our children? Were i live the kids come knocking and if they don't get money or sweets they're likely to blow your letter box off with a firework.

    Could'nt that be classed as demanding money with menaces?

    Trick or treat is a stretch on the original custom of leaving bread and the likes on your doorstep for the visiting spirits, whoever modified the practice into virtual armed robbery to be practised by children has some explaining to do as such practice my be the foundation of criminal careers.

    OK, i hear you all, ''lighten up'' you say. But modern ''trick or treat'' is a take on the middle ages and the late medievil practice of Souling when poor folk would go door to door on Hallowmas [November 1st] receiving food in return for prayers for the dead on all Souls day [November 2nd] Originating in Ireland and Britain.

    More on Trick or treat here....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trick-or-treating
    It's funny. When we were kids, we never said "trick or treat".
    We always said "help the halloween party".
    I wonder if it was an inner-city Dublin thing?
    Nobody I speak to now remembers saying that.
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    I love these threads and everything about the original festivals. There is always cultural gold to be found in such streams. If you want spooky- in the last six months or so occasionally I will click on the bookmark for political world from my home computer and will get a black screen with 'Blocked by BSKYB' across it.

    We have checked with the provider and my flatmate is puzzled by it- last time it lasted for a few weeks and then suddenly all was okay again and the site was accessible. It went again three or four days ago and today it has just sorted itself again. I'm thinking it is Trow's return that has cleared it up.

    A puzzle- and no-one is adjusting our firewall or anything. Thanks for the wave of the staff anyway Trow!
    ISP Black List.
    Common across Asia blocking access to political/porn and gambling sites.
    Internet freedom is very fragile..Eircom have blocked The Pirate Bay.
    The US has an internet kill switch in place.
    In the event of any serious unrest...the Web will be useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    I was thinking to myself last night about the so called custom of ''trick or treating.''

    What are we teaching our children? Were i live the kids come knocking and if they don't get money or sweets they're likely to blow your letter box off with a firework.

    Could'nt that be classed as demanding money with menaces?

    Trick or treat is a stretch on the original custom of leaving bread and the likes on your doorstep for the visiting spirits, whoever modified the practice into virtual armed robbery to be practised by children has some explaining to do as such practice my be the foundation of criminal careers.

    OK, i hear you all, ''lighten up'' you say. But modern ''trick or treat'' is a take on the middle ages and the late medievil practice of Souling when poor folk would go door to door on Hallowmas [November 1st] receiving food in return for prayers for the dead on all Souls day [November 2nd] Originating in Ireland and Britain.

    More on Trick or treat here....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trick-or-treating
    Quote Originally Posted by Griska View Post
    It's funny. When we were kids, we never said "trick or treat".
    We always said "help the halloween party".
    I wonder if it was an inner-city Dublin thing?
    Nobody I speak to now remembers saying that.
    As i got older i always denied i went ''Halloween knocking'' [as we called it.]
    I felt so embarrassed/ashamed like it was a form of begging and could'nt get into it at all.
    We had some rhyme to recite after getting an answer at the door it went like....

    Halloween knock,
    A penny in the sock [bag for collecting cash]
    If you hav'nt got a penny
    A halfpenny will do,
    If you hav'nt got a halfpenny, God bless you and your old man too.

    As i recall we got haunted away from many door steps.

    And like you say Griska, many people i know would deny they ever done the likes. I still have a red face thinking of it.
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