The Sex Thread

[Fraxinus]

Sometimes I wonder how much celibacy was actually practised by the hierarchy, during the long history of the roman catholic church. For most of the last 2000 years, bishops and cardinals were extremely powerful people, who could easily keep their affairs secret. There was no media or investigative reporters to expose scandals, and the vast bulk of the population were illiterate peasants who would have no idea whats going on the bishops palace.

Under such circumstances I would say there were a lot of bishops fornicating and fathering offspring with various servant girls. The whole Roman Catholic religion is built on lies and secrecy, so its not unreasonable to assume that the powerful clerics were breaking their own rules whenever they felt like it.

Celibacy is never really a choice. Males remain celibate because they have no opportunity to mate. If presented with an opportunity they will nearly always succumb to powerful natural urges. The male sex drive is not really controllable when it has the means and the opportunity to mate. Its a force of nature that no man can resist. Bishops, cardinals and popes would have had such opportunities. I suspect they used those opportunities much more so than is known.

Absolutely agree...I think the one's that actually managed to remain celibate would be in a minority.

[fluffybiscuits]

Sometimes I wonder how much celibacy was actually practised by the hierarchy, during the long history of the roman catholic church. For most of the last 2000 years, bishops and cardinals were extremely powerful people, who could easily keep their affairs secret. There was no media or investigative reporters to expose scandals, and the vast bulk of the population were illiterate peasants who would have no idea whats going on the bishops palace.

Under such circumstances I would say there were a lot of bishops fornicating and fathering offspring with various servant girls. The whole Roman Catholic religion is built on lies and secrecy, so its not unreasonable to assume that the powerful clerics were breaking their own rules whenever they felt like it.

Celibacy is never really a choice. Males remain celibate because they have no opportunity to mate. If presented with an opportunity they will nearly always succumb to powerful natural urges. The male sex drive is not really controllable when it has the means and the opportunity to mate. Its a force of nature that no man can resist. Bishops, cardinals and popes would have had such opportunities. I suspect they used those opportunities much more so than is known.

Sex is a powerful driving force for man, from feeling the draw of siren whom we meet we get pulled in. One of mans primary aims in life is to reproduce and this drives his urges but as we grow as a culture we overcome these instinctive processes by logic and reason (how very vulcan says you ) .

Only if they are reasonably good looking!

However the last one utterly ruined my (white) duvet and sheets - fake tan stained them, looked like **** tbh! Felt like sending her a dry cleaners bill

However I think sex with someone you care about and are in a relationship with is much better than the one night stand variety... Shame I'm single!

Casual sex is always good if you have at least a bond with the person and has been used by many a person I know as an extension for friendship as well as being a mistake. One girl who Im good friends with made the mistake of falling in love at 18 with an older bloke and for the last ten years he has become the root of all her troubles (she is 28 nearly) and she cant get over him. On the other hand a friend of mine meets up with another bloke every month, the bloke is married to a woman but the wife understands "he has needs" and she lets him off the hook and everyone seems happy. One other guy I know has a buddy he hooks up with every weekend and they are happy that way. Few drinks, a take away , a movie and into bed and they are happy as they both describe it as the extension of their friendship. One night stands always left me with that empty feeling years ago but they spurred me on to look for something deeper and I found love with my other half whom I love dearly. A cracking lad if ever there was one and to be honest someone I would lay down my life for if I had to

[fluffybiscuits]

At the top of the Amazon charts at the moment is the novel "Fifty Shades of Grey". In a nutshell it tells the story of a woman whom engages in a relationship on a BDSM basis with her employer . The book is "whipping" up a storm and a lot of attention. People are speaking about the novel in hushed tones and laughing naughtily as if it were some sort of unspeakable secret they could share but what does this say for ourselves as a nation? Ireland under the auspices of the Catholic church for years was sexually repressed, women thrown incarcerated in homes for having children outside of wedlock and condoms banned until the 90's. These repressive attitudes have lead to Ireland to being a backwater when it comes to sex hence the book being spoken about in hushed tones . Im not for one moment suggesting Ireland send itself into a frenzy of orgies but look into itself and cast of these shackles. Sex is liberating and holistic. It reflects on us as a person. All we have to do is to look at our attitudes here in Ireland to see that we are in a way repressed sexually.

[PaddyJoe]

At the top of the Amazon charts at the moment is the novel "Fifty Shades of Grey". In a nutshell it tells the story of a woman whom engages in a relationship on a BDSM basis with her employer . The book is "whipping" up a storm and a lot of attention. People are speaking about the novel in hushed tones and laughing naughtily as if it were some sort of unspeakable secret they could share but what does this say for ourselves as a nation? Ireland under the auspices of the Catholic church for years was sexually repressed, women thrown incarcerated in homes for having children outside of wedlock and condoms banned until the 90's. These repressive attitudes have lead to Ireland to being a backwater when it comes to sex hence the book being spoken about in hushed tones . Im not for one moment suggesting Ireland send itself into a frenzy of orgies but look into itself and cast of these shackles. Sex is liberating and holistic. It reflects on us as a person. All we have to do is to look at our attitudes here in Ireland to see that we are in a way repressed sexually.

I've heard it described as '500 pages of classic Mills & Boon with a good bit of whipping and a rake of orgasms thrown in'

[fluffybiscuits]

I've heard it described as '500 pages of classic Mills & Boon with a good bit of whipping and a rake of orgasms thrown in'

Its like that film years ago Secretary...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274812/

[C. Flower]

Sorry for your troubles, Maximus, but there are a lot of other forums for discussing that sort of relationship difficulty

[fluffybiscuits]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Edu...of_Shelby_Knox

Saw this yesterday afternoon by accident actually! Explores the interesting situation as regards the sex education in schools in Lubbock in Texas. The schools advocate absitenence much to the dismay of a young student called Shelby Knox. She tries to change this in a deeply conservative republican christian heartland. Shelby even takes up the mantle of gay rights!

[HarmlessPoorOulDivil]

Something about the submissive/domination thing, such as in 50 Shades, sits very uneasily with me.
If sex is so holistic and liberating and all the rest of it, why the need to eroticize coercion and violence? It seems to be a cultural hangover from the centuries of repression - nice girls just didn't, unless of course, they could be persuaded to. A man has needs and it's not her fault. It seems like an unhealthy underlying dynamic to me.

(Of course usual caveats apply - it's not a criticism of practitioners if consenting adults etc)

[fluffybiscuits]

Something about the submissive/domination thing, such as in 50 Shades, sits very uneasily with me.
If sex is so holistic and liberating and all the rest of it, why the need to eroticize coercion and violence? It seems to be a cultural hangover from the centuries of repression - nice girls just didn't, unless of course, they could be persuaded to. A man has needs and it's not her fault. It seems like an unhealthy underlying dynamic to me.

(Of course usual caveats apply - it's not a criticism of practitioners if consenting adults etc)

Well forced coercion and other aspects aside for some people sex takes on a completely sexual element. There are number of reasons for this but Freud theorised that we enjoy the experience of BDSM with slapping etc as harking back to when we were scolded when we were younger. Later on in life this manifests itself when people want to be smacked or other things. Over the years having been on a dating site and talking to various friends about this its quite common so much so there is club nights for those involved. It has become a lot more mainstream .

[fluffybiscuits]

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/...s-3195163.html

Men tend to prefer slimmer and younger-looking women because they appear healthier and more fertile, making them a better bet for bearing offspring. But stress can cause men to reassess their priorities, and make them treasure more homely qualities, such as a larger body size, scientists say.

[Slim Buddha]

I've heard it described as '500 pages of classic Mills & Boon with a good bit of whipping and a rake of orgasms thrown in'

That is being very kind to it Paddy Joe. It is 500 pages of pure crap and it was a struggle to stay even mildly interested to the end. It was as tedious as Angela's Ashes was for me. Gruesomely boring.

[Baron von Biffo]

That is being very kind to it Paddy Joe. It is 500 pages of pure crap and it was a struggle to stay even mildly interested to the end. It was as tedious as Angela's Ashes was for me. Gruesomely boring.

Stinging in the rain.

[ZeroWedge]

At the top of the Amazon charts at the moment is the novel "Fifty Shades of Grey". In a nutshell it tells the story of a woman whom engages in a relationship on a BDSM basis with her employer . The book is "whipping" up a storm and a lot of attention. People are speaking about the novel in hushed tones and laughing naughtily as if it were some sort of unspeakable secret they could share but what does this say for ourselves as a nation? Ireland under the auspices of the Catholic church for years was sexually repressed, women thrown incarcerated in homes for having children outside of wedlock and condoms banned until the 90's. These repressive attitudes have lead to Ireland to being a backwater when it comes to sex hence the book being spoken about in hushed tones . Im not for one moment suggesting Ireland send itself into a frenzy of orgies but look into itself and cast of these shackles. Sex is liberating and holistic. It reflects on us as a person. All we have to do is to look at our attitudes here in Ireland to see that we are in a way repressed sexually.

There was a huge guerilla marketing campaign to promote this book by creating fake controversy on radio shows like Moncrieff and Mooney and shilling on web forums like this one. If you werent such a regular poster Fluffy, Id suspect you were a paid shill.

Dont be fooled by fake controversy, Fluffy. Nobody gives a crap about another crappy novel. Its a PR campaign worthy of Edward Bernays and his sneaky bag of tricks.

[Slim Buddha]

Stinging in the rain.

It is a tedious tome of tiresome, trite titillation which is, at 500 odd pages, 450 pages too long for what it attempted to say. Sadly, English is, as a language, depressingly mechanical in its expression of erotica but I guess that is down to the authors.


50 Shades of Crap was a step up from Chick Lit but then again, so is an Aldi flyer.

[fluffybiscuits]

There was a huge guerilla marketing campaign to promote this book by creating fake controversy on radio shows like Moncrieff and Mooney and shilling on web forums like this one. If you werent such a regular poster Fluffy, Id suspect you were a paid shill.

Dont be fooled by fake controversy, Fluffy. Nobody gives a crap about another crappy novel. Its a PR campaign worthy of Edward Bernays and his sneaky bag of tricks.

Im not fooled at all, just cant understand the hype surrounding it. The book delves into the world of BDSM which Ireland has had a scene for years in and continues to do so. The book needed no shills, it spread by word of mouth and got popularity that way, everyone is talking about it.