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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The blowing up of the Great Mosque at Mosul by ISIS confirms if anyone wants to go by anything materially real that ISIS is not an Islamic group.


    http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns...ism-1323585268
    Nonsense. In their religious mythology, if the Great Mosque falls into the hands of Shi'ite heretics and Kurdish and American unbelievers, it is better for it to be destroyed.

    Regrettably, ISIS is indeed an extremely fanatical Islamic group. If they were not, if they were simply anti-imperial nationalists, that would be much better and they might be a bit less ruthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Marxist Historian View Post
    Nonsense. In their religious mythology, if the Great Mosque falls into the hands of Shi'ite heretics and Kurdish and American unbelievers, it is better for it to be destroyed.

    Regrettably, ISIS is indeed an extremely fanatical Islamic group. If they were not, if they were simply anti-imperial nationalists, that would be much better and they might be a bit less ruthless.

    -AMH-
    Their religious mythology is made up on the hoof and is not Islamic. Not unless you count the Disney version.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Their religious mythology is made up on the hoof and is not Islamic. Not unless you count the Disney version.....
    I am just a bit curious as to what gives you the authority to specify what is Islamic and what is not. Did you study this religion in an in depth way somewhere?
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    Repeated accounts of mass executions by Iraqi security forces in the old city, Mosul. Bodies being thrown into the river.

    Also disturbing footage being circulated on the internet of captured ISIS fighters being brutalised.
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    I am just a bit curious as to what gives you the authority to specify what is Islamic and what is not. Did you study this religion in an in depth way somewhere?
    Could the same question not be asked if yourself? You seem to view yourself as rather a (self-appointed) expert on conflicts in the Middle East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    I am just a bit curious as to what gives you the authority to specify what is Islamic and what is not. Did you study this religion in an in depth way somewhere?
    I lived beside and known well Muslims in the 1970s and 80s, I've studied Islamic art and culture and have read up a good bit on the different strands of Islam. I also note what is said about the Saudi / Al q / ISIS brand by other Muslims across the world. It is not just that they don't agree with aspects of it. They don't recognise it as being familiar to them as Islamic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    I lived beside and known well Muslims in the 1970s and 80s,
    In which country?
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    One war in Iraq ends-and another begins. And it is quite clear that, despite the Kurds being Washington's catspaws in both Syria and Iraq, and at this point the anarcho-Stalinists of the PKK/SDF are if anything even more loyal lackeys of US imperialism than the Barzani clan, no Washington does not now and never has supported Kurdish national self-determination.

    This is now the third Barzani to be sold down the river by US imperialism when the Kurds were no longer useful. You'd think the Barzanis would have learned something by now, but no.

    Rather than idiotically relying on Donald Trump to save their bacon, the Kurds in Iraq would have been much wiser to cut a deal with ISIS if they want their independence. But now, with ISIS on the run, that is no longer an option.

    Excellent article on all this in the Workers Vanguard. I particularly like their putting the word "Iraq" in quotation marks. Iraq is not now and never has been a country, it is simply an invention of British imperialism for the purpose of dividing and ruling and setting the different communities and nations of ancient Mesopotamia at each others throats. Which is what has happened, now with Trump rather than the Brits as the stage manager.

    http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv/1120/iraqi_kurds.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Marxist Historian View Post
    the anarcho-Stalinists ...
    Haha.

    The nonsense the Sparts are capable of making up is beyond belief. It's a bit like describing a party as "communist-capitalists". Entirely devoid of a any rationality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Haha.

    The nonsense the Sparts are capable of making up is beyond belief. It's a bit like describing a party as "communist-capitalists". Entirely devoid of a any rationality.
    Don't blame the Sparts for that, it is my characterization. But how else can you describe an organization that for decades put Stalin posters on walls, and now has a personality cult for Ocalan and ... Murray Bookchin? (Which likely has Bookchin turning over in his grave).

    Formally speaking, the PKK etc. are, if you take their documents seriously, anarchists. In fact, they are still pretty much the same Kurdish nationalist Stalinists they ever were, complete with personality cult, a one party state, repression of dissidents, truckling to imperialism, etc.

    The Spartacists prefer to simply label them Kurdish nationalists. I think that is a bit of an oversimplification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam lord View Post
    haha.

    Like describing a party as "communist-capitalists".
    :d

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