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    Default Re: Red C Poll Gallagher 39+18 MDH 27+2 MMcG 13 -3 GM 8 -2 Norris 7

    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    Two corrections -

    1. The majority of Irish people are not and never have been conservative

    2. Gallagher is the epitome of 'conservative'
    I'm sorry but that is an absurd claim. It is a small predominantly rural island off the western coast of Europe and that has shown through in its politics at every level.

    It is always a generation behind the continent of Europe politically and socially? Probably more.

    Sounds like a condemnation and in some ways it is but it is accurate. Tthe majority of Irish people fear change as a rural and island based society quite like the rural French in a way- unwilling to be seen to upset the local Mayor (for Mayor read the local 'big man' or political family).

    Irish people don't raise their heads above the parapet for fear they will be singled out.

    My grandfather explained this to me from bitter experience he had and so did my father and both of them warned me against ever speaking up on behalf of Irish people because they want someone to do the complaining for them and will shuffle and look at their shoes when it comes time to back someone up.

    They aren't negative and nasty people but they've been well trained not to stand out over the centuries both socially and politically. The history of the state politically is a narrow metronome operation between slightly different conservative camps.

    I wish it were different but that is the way that it is. Anybody who tries is branded a 'troublemaker' if they challenge the way things have always been.
    Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.

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    Default Re: Red C Poll Gallagher 39+18 MDH 27+2 MMcG 13 -3 GM 8 -2 Norris 7

    By the way I think that 39% poll for Gallagher is complete swablocks and it wouldn't surprise me if its rigged.

    There's no way that a few percentage points off other candidates can result in an 18 point rise for Gallagher. He simply hasn't done anything to warrant such a rise nationally and the losses of the others can't explain an 18 point leap.

    I think at best its an outlier and at worst its rigged.
    Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.

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    Default Re: Red C Poll Gallagher 39+18 MDH 27+2 MMcG 13 -3 GM 8 -2 Norris 7

    Re Irish being conservative, I think that the campaign thru the Land League whereby each farmer became freehold owner of his own land discouraged the growth of socialism in rural Ireland.
    Last edited by homer; 15-10-2011 at 10:07 PM.

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    Default Re: Red C Poll Gallagher 39+18 MDH 27+2 MMcG 13 -3 GM 8 -2 Norris 7

    Flabberghasted by this. Looks like a vote yes for jobs vote... that if we have a business man as Viceory it'll inspire us to all become entrepreneurs and save the country.

    What did Higgins do to upset you this morning Cactus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    What did Higgins do to upset you this morning Cactus?
    Watch it here, pretty much at the start.

    Oh, and "morning" it was only for "people who who eat their dinner in the middle of the day".
    Thus all which you call Sin, Destruction—in brief, Evil—that is my true element.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    Watch it here, pretty much at the start.

    Oh, and "morning" it was only for "people who who eat their dinner in the middle of the day".
    We are where we are where we are where we are.....

    Ha, I had six cows milked and a half a days work done at that stage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    We are where we are where we are where we are.....
    Well, once a Fianna Fáiler...
    Thus all which you call Sin, Destruction—in brief, Evil—that is my true element.

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    I think the poll reflects how undecided and unenamoured with the candidates the electorate are.
    I'll be voting but like many voters I'm not particularly enthusiastic about any of the candidates.
    For many voters it came down to anyone but McGuinness or Dana.
    Initially Mary Davis was doing well, sure wasn't she the nice lady from the Special Olympics ... and then they heard her talk, read about the salaries, the state boards and the board of ICS and so on and well they realised that she wasn't for them.
    Michael D has been many voters first choice by default, by that the best of a bad lot. Gallagher has taken over that mantle. His support is still very soft though.
    Mitchell by bickering and being overly confrontational was the first candidate to be seen as acting in a non presidential way.

    Gallagher is not home and dry and I still think Michael D will do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    We are where we are where we are where we are.....

    Ha, I had six cows milked and a half a days work done at that stage
    Yes, and it was the way Higgins seemed afraid of the guy, who was only a genuine person, a bit frustrated. There was a real them and us thing there, and Higgins on the wrong side of it for me.

    And I've met him a couple of times, and always was impressed by him before. A hard worker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Yes, and it was the way Higgins seemed afraid of the guy, who was only a genuine person, a bit frustrated. There was a real them and us thing there, and Higgins on the wrong side of it for me.

    And I've met him a couple of times, and always was impressed by him before. A hard worker.
    You'd hope Higgins would transcend that but it is versus them...Higgins' party are in power carrying on and adding to the work of FF against us.

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    Default Re: Red C Poll Gallagher 39+18 MDH 27+2 MMcG 13 -3 GM 8 -2 Norris 7

    Quote Originally Posted by homer View Post
    Re Irish being conservative, I think that the campaign thru the Land League whereby each farmer became freehold owner of his own land discouraged the growth of socialsim in rural Ireland.

    That is an interesting point- one thing that stands out for me is that Irish home ownership was in excess of 90% of the households of Ireland pre Celtic Tiger certainly- one thing that amazed me on visits home was the sudden emergence of the 'aportment'.

    Up to 2000 Irish people thought 'aportments' were something you found only on holidays.

    And then suddenly there were aportments springing up in Ballyslapdashamuckery, County Mud.

    That should have been a warning signal- I recall driving past one aportment complex out in the sticks and asking back in mid 2007 how much they were going for and I thought I heard 240K in response and damn near fell out of the car laughing- then I was told 'no no- 450K' and at that point I stopped laughing and became speechless.

    Bear in mind you can buy a flat in Fulham or Chelsea for that kind of money- and this aportment dream complex didn't even have a shop nearby.
    Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.

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    Default Re: Red C Poll Gallagher 39+18 MDH 27+2 MMcG 13 -3 GM 8 -2 Norris 7

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Norris, Gallagher and Dana had none. They did the legwork.
    Norris, Gallagher and Dana are representative of the interests of the establishment. They posed no threat and have not and will not raise any issues about austerity.

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    A determined ULA campaign would have attracted support. If a prospective ULA candidate had been stopped from running, it would have exposed those who opposed them as anti democratic, and won support for the ULA.
    I would suggest that a far more productive use of limited resources would have been building a campaign to win the Dublin West by-election and build the campaign against the household tax instead of having Joe Higgins running around the country sucking up to local right-wing councillors and begging them for a nomination to an irrelevent office that there was absolutely zero prospect of getting nominated. The media would have run a massive propaganda campaign against such an attempt and the end result would have been a major embarrassment for the ULA.

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    Default Re: Red C Poll Gallagher 39+18 MDH 27+2 MMcG 13 -3 GM 8 -2 Norris 7

    It's hard to believe the poll as i say it's dodgy at least. However,I take it as a pinch of salt on that poll

    On the other hand if it were true, the best thing would be NOT to GIVE any preference vote to Gallagher. His poll figure would certainly drop on the basis of a reduced preference votes going to him.

    I think it's a fight between Mc Guinness and Higgins.

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    Default Re: Red C Poll Have the official redc if you want to unlock the thread Cass Gallagher 39+18 MDH 27+2 MMcG 13 -3 GM 8 -2 Norr

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    This was always going to be down to timing.



    Gallagher 39+18 MDH 27+2 MMcG 13 -3 GM 8 -2 Norris 7 -7 Davis 4 -5 Dana 2 -3
    We want to show that the GE wasn't an aberration, we really are that stupid.

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    Default Re: Red C Poll Gallagher 39+18 MDH 27+2 MMcG 13 -3 GM 8 -2 Norris 7

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Makes me wonder how a bright young ULA candidate would have done.

    Worse than Dana. The other candidates wouldn't have to do him/her down as the various elements of the ULA alphabet soup would fall out over his/her ideological purity. The first time (s)he answered an interviewers question (s)he would be exposed as the wrong type of 'ist' and it would all be over.

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