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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    Political dynasties comes to mind !
    Quite...

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    (as usual?) discussion on French pols comes down to ENA. There are/will be those who mention that Sarko isn't ENA, so that proves.....??

    ENA really is a state of mind as well as a place of supposed education. France is almost in awe of it, and the way French people think is almost driven by ENA type thinking. In addition, ENA grads are everywhere, local, regional, departmental, national, private, so they influence a lot more than the Elysee Palace.

    ENA grads who are destined for political office usually go straight to the 'cabinet' of a minister, or to the office of a party. The same sort of system works in the EC, since it inherited the French admin system. They then move about the admin, depending on who is in power, while building their political base. This process is helped undoubtedly by those of the same ENA promotion (the name give to each years output) and they all move along in sweet harmony.

    There are those who say ENA actually runs France, ensuring that nothing untoward happens without their knowledge. They could be right, but the real effect of ENA, IMO, is a sameness of outcome to most things, despite a wide range of diverse opinions. ENA people are, above all, compromisers. Hence Hollande, Aubrey et al are bland, centrist, facilitator types, appealing to the widest audiences.

    Do you recognise them? FG et al are their equivalent in Ireland, trying to be all things.... and coming up with bugger all originality or imagination. They are, of course, joined by their counterparts in the EC, ECB, IMF, etc., etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    (as usual?) discussion on French pols comes down to ENA. There are/will be those who mention that Sarko isn't ENA, so that proves.....??

    ENA really is a state of mind as well as a place of supposed education. France is almost in awe of it, and the way French people think is almost driven by ENA type thinking. In addition, ENA grads are everywhere, local, regional, departmental, national, private, so they influence a lot more than the Elysee Palace.

    ENA grads who are destined for political office usually go straight to the 'cabinet' of a minister, or to the office of a party. The same sort of system works in the EC, since it inherited the French admin system. They then move about the admin, depending on who is in power, while building their political base. This process is helped undoubtedly by those of the same ENA promotion (the name give to each years output) and they all move along in sweet harmony.

    There are those who say ENA actually runs France, ensuring that nothing untoward happens without their knowledge. They could be right, but the real effect of ENA, IMO, is a sameness of outcome to most things, despite a wide range of diverse opinions. ENA people are, above all, compromisers. Hence Hollande, Aubrey et al are bland, centrist, facilitator types, appealing to the widest audiences.

    Do you recognise them? FG et al are their equivalent in Ireland, trying to be all things.... and coming up with bugger all originality or imagination. They are, of course, joined by their counterparts in the EC, ECB, IMF, etc., etc.
    France recently swung to the right with Jean Marie La Pen and other such fruit cakes rising to power. A moderate such as Aubry or Hollande might not be as bad as the alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    A moderate such as Aubry
    She looks awfully familiar...

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    Paris, on January 4, 2012,

    Madam, Mister the mayor,

    As you know it, beyond community activities which led me of a high level sporting career to artistic activities, I am a citizen attentive at our time, with the chances that it offers to young people - too limited - to the injustices than it generates - too many, too violent, too systematic.

    I am a committed citizen.

    This engagement forces to me today to speak, more seriously than with accustomed, but also with an acute sense of my responsibility, per hour when our country is with the front of difficult and determining choice for its future.

    This engagement leads me to turn me towards you, because you are in the function which you occupy a dominating actor of the daily newspaper of your managed, our fellow-citizens, you are a powerful link of confidence in the political personnel, the future of our institutions, and in the social link that you contribute to weave day after day, month after month, year after year.

    If I turn to you, Madam, Mister the mayor, it is to require your signature within the framework of the political debate in which the country engages. It is a mark of confidence which I await from you, an act which will guarantee to your concerns to be precisely represented in this debate. My objective, you will have included/understood it, is to collect 500 signatures at least… They will enable me to carry a simple message but clearly; a message of truth but of respect; an interdependent and powerful message. A message awaited by our country and this million families which one forgets the daily sufferings and from which the public power moved away.

    If you grant your paraph to me, I will be able to carry this strong idea, with good of others as given as me, and I will also do it on your behalf.

    I thank you by advance for agreeing to mark your approval while returning the form which you will find herewith.

    Sincerely yours

    Eric CONFINED

    Eric Cantona has wrote to France's Mayor's asking for their support and looking for the 500 signatures he needs to run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVE View Post
    Eric Cantona has wrote to France's Mayor's asking for their support and looking for the 500 signatures he needs to run.
    Ooo aaaah!!!

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    This could be an interesting race. Sarkozy has been appealing to the far-right vote by stirring up racial and communitarian tensions, and it's likely we'll see more of that as the election gets closer. On the PS side, the race between Martine Aubry and Francois Hollande will be tight. Aubry is well thought of within the PS, and has been an excellent mayor for Lille. Hollande appeals to a more centrist position, similar in a way to a leftish Francois Bayrou. It's difficult to say who will get it but the presidency is likely to be theirs to lose if they get through the prémier tour: Sarkozy and Marine Le Pen will split the right wing vote between them, and if Sarkozy limps through he'll lose because he's unpopular and if 'la fille' gets through she'll be crushed by the 70%+ of the electorate who despise the far right voting en masse for the socialist candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVE View Post
    Eric Cantona has wrote to France's Mayor's asking for their support and looking for the 500 signatures he needs to run.
    Legend

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian View Post
    This could be an interesting race. Sarkozy has been appealing to the far-right vote by stirring up racial and communitarian tensions, and it's likely we'll see more of that as the election gets closer. On the PS side, the race between Martine Aubry and Francois Hollande will be tight. Aubry is well thought of within the PS, and has been an excellent mayor for Lille. Hollande appeals to a more centrist position, similar in a way to a leftish Francois Bayrou. It's difficult to say who will get it but the presidency is likely to be theirs to lose if they get through the prémier tour: Sarkozy and Marine Le Pen will split the right wing vote between them, and if Sarkozy limps through he'll lose because he's unpopular and if 'la fille' gets through she'll be crushed by the 70%+ of the electorate who despise the far right voting en masse for the socialist candidate.
    Sarkozy is cutting his nose off to spite his face by appealing to the far right. They will already blame him for what they see as mass immigration into France and the votes will go to Le Pen anyways (whom I cannot stand). Google news has a very good update on the latest in the opinion polls and puts it well. The far right is going to be divided, this is the chance for the socialists to put them under the guillotine and get rid of the racist scum that is the far right in France and kick start perhaps a socialist mini revolution of sorts (am I being too optimistic anti??)

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...127d710e65.6e1
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    .... kick start perhaps a socialist mini revolution of sorts (am I being too optimistic anti??)
    Maybe not, some people are recognising Hollande as a bland, Blairlike so called socialist. (btw, the Aubrey/Hollande thing is over, Hollande won the socialist primary) The result is that Sarko is rising in the polls, but most people think Hollande will sqeak it.

    They are very fearful of the result of a Hollande win. The triple A is a goner, Merkel will just tell him what he has to do, he'll probably try to introduce some populist social stuff which will spook 'the markets' - scary. I had hoped Aubrey might make it, she is a far better pol, but, as usual, it is the superficial media stuff that matters, she is not considered "presidentiable" to quote the French word.

    The right will do well in the first round, especially in their heartland, the South, mostly because some voters there would like the 'beurs' to be sent home, but alos because they are pissed off with Sarko's empty rhetoric.

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    Maybe not, some people are recognising Hollande as a bland, Blairlike so called socialist. (btw, the Aubrey/Hollande thing is over, Hollande won the socialist primary) The result is that Sarko is rising in the polls, but most people think Hollande will sqeak it.

    They are very fearful of the result of a Hollande win. The triple A is a goner, Merkel will just tell him what he has to do, he'll probably try to introduce some populist social stuff which will spook 'the markets' - scary. I had hoped Aubrey might make it, she is a far better pol, but, as usual, it is the superficial media stuff that matters, she is not considered "presidentiable" to quote the French word.
    Silly thinking from the PS- Sarko has hardly been 'présidentiable' during his tenure, at least not in comparison with cultured men of learning like former présidents Mitterrand and d'Estaing, so I don't think Martine would have lost much in the way of votes for being a bit rougher around the edges. As well as that, she has a far better record in governing than Hollande, Lille is a first class city economically, socially and culturally and much of that is down to her mayorship of the place.

    The right will do well in the first round, especially in their heartland, the South, mostly because some voters there would like the 'beurs' to be sent home, but alos because they are pissed off with Sarko's empty rhetoric.
    Sarko has made a rod for his own back going after the far-right vote- many of them won't accept him because he's the son of immigrants himself. Le Pen has credentials both on the Pied-Noir traditionalist wing of the FN and in the newer heartlands in the deprived parts of the rust belt
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    Thanks for the update Barry I was a little out of touch in terms of the recent news on Hollande! Anti made a good point about Sarko chasing the votes, I completely forgot his parents were Hungarian ! What he is doing is going to split the votes anyways, the FN will consider him a traitor I imagine for not tightening up immigration.
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    Hollande is finishing up his first big rally in front of 10,000 party activists. In an excellent speech he has laid done the gaunlet to Sarkozy and Le Pen. He has declared the financial industry as one of the big enemies and asserted thgat there is always mopre thgan one solution no matter how bad the global financial crisis is. He has denounced racism, Le Pen's call for the death penalty.

    Tax on financial transactions,
    cut in politians pay by 30%
    Promised that he would not led workers and employees into a movement that did nothing for them.

    Set out the role of a president, justice, dignity,

    the role of artists in society
    denounced political corruption of the police and finacial corruption of politcs/politians (sarko)


    will pull troops out of Afghanistan

    Will do more at a European level defend it ie against merke4l

    etc

    that is just some notes as I watch...
    he is confident and is showing leadership
    acknowledges importance German French pact but wants fiscal justice, tax justice in France wants a new Franco German treaty

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    anti thacherite, wants industry and public investment in industry

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    Doomsday Atmosphere
    Sarkozy 'Against the Ropes' in Re-Election Fight

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...810149,00.html

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