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    I have long been an advocate of this policy and believe its something worthwhile exploring. Here is a different if somewhat very simple look at things. People in a capitalist society and conditioned to be consumerists, to work like slaves for basic wage and in turn this money then leaves the worker whom spends his disposable income on useless stuff that he may want but inherently made not need. This leads me on to a second point which forms the crux of my opinion on what is preventing open borders. When people accumulate all this wealth and their material goods (a lot of capitalist societies produce materialistic beings) they will fight to keep what they have which is a standard of living way above what is par for the norm and this in itself creates an injust and inhumane society. An open border is something which they see as a threat to both themselves and their way of life and this coupled with their extreme insecurities and superiority complexes makes for one giant barrier which while big is not so big as to be torn down.

    How do we implement an open border? From the start we need to educate our children in the schools and try and get a number of influential people on board, I’m not talking about currently established leaders but those whom have excellent leadership skills, are diplomatic and trustworthy, where these come from I do not know but I’m sure some way can be created to identify them. These people can then in each country/region of the world where there is extremes such as fundamentalism seek to address moderates in that country and appeal to the working class in such a way as to combat the influence of extremism and fundamentalism and appeal to the people through the offer of a better way of life. In Ireland we would need someone to try and make people drop their materialist values and go back to their humanity and thinking of others. We would end up with a standard of living that is still well above average but takes into account the needs of everyone else.

    Over the years we would promote a bicultural model similar to that of Singapore where housing developments would be mixed and people fully explored to promote each their own culture while actively taking an interest in each other’s culture. The Canadians have great legislation in place called the Canadian Multiculturalism Act which was borne out of the ideals of Trudeau in Canada (more info please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...ulturalism_Act ). It goes some way towards promoting this bicultural model.

    The ideas I have outlined are not perfect, they are not the ideas of some happy clappy hippy but someone who believe humanity can benefit from a change in thinking, a giant session of cognitive behavioural therapy if you will. Feel free to criticise (constructively may I add) and to add your voice on what is right or what is wrong about the above.
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    I'm interested in discussing this. There is another thread on it. Would you mind if they are merged ?

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    Fire ahead CF!
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    Anyone have any input into this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    Anyone have any input into this?
    I'm struggling with it, because it's genuinely utopian.

    If there were no borders now, there would be big population movements to wealthier places / places with a good environment.

    Would things even themselves out naturally, over time, do you think ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    I'm struggling with it, because it's genuinely utopian.

    If there were no borders now, there would be big population movements to wealthier places / places with a good environment.

    Would things even themselves out naturally, over time, do you think ?
    That is one thing I endeavour to solve. I think a genuinely good approach involves targetting the kids at school, equipping them with languages that they will need and slowly using governement to ease it in. For a start we would need to completely target all the anti immigrationists and remove them. Im struggling with the concept myself but I think I need to do more research...!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    for a start we would need to completely target all the anti immigrationists and remove them. Im struggling with the concept myself but i think i need to do more research...!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiPublicSectorGreed View Post
    You are one sick bastard.
    Off topic, I don't agree with calling fellow forum members bastards or jerks, but if that is the new etiquette at PW.org then so be it.

    On topic, multiculti is dead and "removing" people who say so, doesn't necessarily revive the concept.
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    Doing away with borders surely means doing away with nation states ?

    And power blocs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    Off topic, I don't agree with calling fellow forum members bastards or jerks, but if that is the new etiquette at PW.org then so be it
    Point taken and post edited.

    But it is worth noting that 10% of all recently issued birth certificates in Ireland have "Unknown" in the box for father. This helps them claim more in welfare than would otherwise be possible. So there are a lot of literal bastards out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Doing away with borders surely means doing away with nation states ?

    And power blocs ?
    NOW we're talking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiPublicSectorGreed View Post
    You are one sick individual
    Perhaps Im not explaining myself correctly. Im talking about out voting them and the pro immigrationists running a candidate who has the intellect, competency and skill to out do the anti immigration lobby. Im in no way advocating violence, curbing free speech etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Doing away with borders surely means doing away with nation states ?

    And power blocs ?
    It does , people are confined within nations they feel they need an identity but if we appeal to the individual as a functioning human being and give them a purpose. People want to feel needed, they want to feel they are contributing somehow to society to boost their self esteem and their sense of self worth. People in other words need to feel they are getting something out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiPublicSectorGreed View Post
    Point taken and post edited.

    But it is worth noting that 10% of all recently issued birth certificates in Ireland have "Unknown" in the box for father. This helps them claim more in welfare than would otherwise be possible. So there are a lot of literal bastards out there.
    Rubbish and rubbish again. In order to claim any benefits they have to fulfill habitual residency requirements which the social have put in place. They are entitled to a one off discretionary payment from the CWO at the health board . If you dont believe any of this try the citizens info website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    Rubbish and rubbish again.
    Dont doubt me grasshopper. From one of your own leftwing NGOs:

    SOME 20,000 Irish children born outside of marriage each year risk never getting to know their fathers.
    ..............
    She emphasised that, as a minimum, "parents should ensure that the father's name is on the birth certificate".
    ..................
    The campaign aims to reduce the number of 'father unknown' cases, which Treoir says "hinders a child from developing his/her sense of identity".
    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...ads-98340.html

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