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    US motorists have logged 11B miles in EVs. Lousy graphics in charts at link. Tesla catching up.....fast.


    http://evobsession.com/us-ev-drivers...d0ea-130227457
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Og View Post
    Yeah , were all 'snowflakes and buttercups' aren't we? Sounds like the title of a psychedelic LP from 1966. Or a good band name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    US motorists have logged 11B miles in EVs. Lousy graphics in charts at link. Tesla catching up.....fast.


    http://evobsession.com/us-ev-drivers...d0ea-130227457
    I think that his solar roof tiles might be even bigger business ..

    And that in a near future Musk will be able to ship all the Trumpies and their ground mined coal up to Mars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by random new yorker View Post
    I think that his solar roof tiles might be even bigger business ..

    And that in a near future Musk will be able to ship all the Trumpies and their ground mined coal up to Mars...
    His promotion of coal is just cynical exploitation of coalminers fears. The business case for coal is dead. Since 2000 about 60,000 coal mining jobs have been lost, and about 250,000 in the newspaper industry.
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    Germans, who are notoriously resistant to change, have been slow to embrace EVs. This one whose speed is deliberately limited to 217mph is aimed directly at them.

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    Musk hopes to have a prototype available in 2017 and production by 2019. The average US long haul semi does 100K per year for 10 years. After 1M miles maintainence costs make them unsuitable for long haul, and they move to short haul. In addition to paying for itself within five years, an electric engine with fewer moving parts will extend the life of the truck.


    A closer look at Musk's semi-truck battery
    Axios battery wizard Steve LeVine has a very interesting new post up about Tesla's plans to enter the heavy trucking market. Here's a bit of his item, but I really recommend checking out the whole thing here. Take it away....
    Elon Musk's latest product — an electric Tesla semi-truck that he said he will introduce in September — is less outlandish than some have suggested, according to a leading battery researcher.
    Why it matters: Musk threatens to upend the truck-making industry, as he has with electric cars — at least as posed by an analyst with Piper Jeffray this week who downgraded and revised his ratings on a few makers of conventional semi-trucks in light of the coming Tesla model. In addition, semi-trucks are responsible for an estimated 20 percent of greenhouse gas emissions from the U.S. transportation sector.
    Gerbrand Ceder, a materials scientist at UC Berkeley, says in a back-of-the-envelope calculation that a battery capable of powering a long-haul semi-truck for 500 miles on a single charge would cost roughly $70,000 and weigh around three tons. If fast-charging standards are upgraded to account for the trucks, an hour of fast-charging could replenish about 300 miles of range, he said. Fuel savings could pay it off in fewer than five years.
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    The car industry is in a delirious moment of change. Industry experts say more changes will happened in the next five years than have happened in the last fifty. As self-driving technology and ride-hailing companies circle, change is not only part of the pursuit of profit, but a matter of survival. But knowing when and how to double down on investment into new strategy is a tricky game. Despite the growing numbers of car companies manufacturing electric vehicles, consumers are still not lining up to buy EVs and broad support of self-driving car technology faces regulatory hurdles. But what’s stayed consistent across the industry is the lucrative future in an emerging car market: selling cars in China.


    http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/23/15...car-revolution




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    Monthly US EV sales Jan - April 2017. Tesla no longer included in monthly figures because they don't release numbers on a monthly basis. The sold 80,000 in 2016, and are currently on target for 100,000 in 2017, but that may jump with the release of the model 3 later this year. So Tesla currently represents about 50% of US market.


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    Monthly EU EV sales Jan - March 2017. Almost double the size of the US market. Makes sense when you consider the extra advantage of ditching the higher price of EU fuel. Gas is running about 60c a liter in the US at the mo. Tesla has about 12% of EU market.


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    Will this be a case of he who hesitates is lost?


    Tesla's truck play: Wall Street's most prominent Tesla bull says an electric semi-truck that the company plans to unveil later this month might be 70% cheaper to operate than conventional diesel-powered vehicles, and ignite a fierce contest to dominate a nascent market in "intelligent trucks".
    In a Sept. 6 note to clients, Morgan Stanley's auto team said it expects Tesla CEO Elon Musk to start taking $5,000 refundable deposits on the truck right after the unveiling, using the same method that in 2016 created outsized buzz around his Model 3 mainstream electric sedan. If the truck attracts thousands of orders — which the note's lead author, Ravi Shanker, said he considers a likelihood — Musk will create pressure on rivals to compete, and fleet owners to order even more trucks.
    The bottom line: Shanker thinks semi-trucks will turn into a several-billion-dollar-a-year business for Tesla. "If the order book fills up quickly," Shanker wrote, "any carrier that holds back placing its order could potentially have to wait several years to get its hands on a Tesla truck, years during which its competitors could be running with up to a 70% cost advantage."
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    The unveiling of the semi tractor, plus a new roadster, and maybe a pick-up.

    From Axios.......



    In a typically showy ceremony in Southern California last night, Tesla CEO Elon Musk unveiled a sleek prototype electric semi-truck that he said will travel 500 miles on a charge, go zero to 60 mph in 20 seconds fully loaded, and charge most of the way in 30 minutes while a driver rests and eats. He appeared to say that the vehicle will be able to operate semi-autonomously in convoy, which would be the first step to self-driving trucks.

    Why it matters: Musk did not say how much the truck will cost, but that it will be cheaper to operate than a standard diesel. If he is able to deliver the semi-truck as described, it seems likely to shake up the freight market just as he has the car business. Experts expect semi-truck traffic to surge in the coming decades as the global population grows to 9 billion people.

    The unveil in an airport hanger in Hawthorne, CA., came as Musk is confronting doubts about his ability to pull off arguably his most important project of all — the scale-up of the Model 3, the flagship mainstream-priced electric that he has touted as Tesla's route to the mass market, and the jump-starting of a global electric car industry.
    Tesla has taken more than 450,000 reservations at $1,000 apiece for the Model 3, which launched in July, and he was supposed to be turning out 5,000 of them a week by now. But, while making high-profile announcements about a Hyperloop, Space-X launches and now the prototype semi-truck, he has failed to create a standard automated assembly line for the Model 3, so his workers are building them in part by hand, and only by the dozen. As a result, Tesla's sky-high share price has plunged by about 19% over the last two months, closing at $312.50 yesterday.



    • Yet the semi-truck launch, with unexpected specs including a far-more-than-expected range, seems likely to wow his fans and quiet at least some of his critics. Musk said the average truck trip is less than 250 miles, which meant that a driver could do a round trip without recharging. Still, Musk said the truck's battery pack, built into the floorboard, can be charged to 80% of capacity in 30 minutes. He said solar-powered "mega-charging" stations for the trucks would be installed worldwide, and would be priced at 7 cents a kilowatt.


    • The cost per mile would be $1.26, compared with $1.51 for a diesel-operated truck. If the semi-truck is operated in a convoy, he said, the efficiencies took the operating cost below $1 a mile, and made them cheaper than moving freight by train.


    • The two details — range and recharge time — were crucial, and they dispelled the most profound doubts about the truck. In addition, he said standard equipment will include automatic breaking, lane-keeping and forward collision warning.

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