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    Quote Originally Posted by Griska View Post
    How will this affect FOI requests?
    Not sure, but if I was a betting man I would think this was done to avoid giving info on NAMA

    Maybe someone with a legal mind will be able to advise fully. My brain shuts down after 1 paragraph of legalese
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    5. Article 7 of the Regulations of 2007 is amended by the insertion of the following after sub-article (10):

    seems permission is now required

    “(11) Where a request is made for information which has been provided to the public authority on a voluntary basis by a third party and, in the opinion of the public authority, release of the information may adversely affect the third party, the public authority shall take all reasonable efforts to contact the third party concerned to seek consent or otherwise to release the information, pursuant to article 8(a)(ii) and article 10.”
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/si/0662.html
    "The land Coillte Teo is now selling for development was given to them by the State in 1988 to ensure that our woodlands were run commercially, not to enable them to sell the family silver to service bank loans".
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    Badly drafted. What happens if consent is refused, or no repy received.
    Does it say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Deliberately badly drafted. What happens if consent is refused, or no repy received.
    Does it say?
    Fixed that for you.
    "It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history. We carry a new world here, in our hearts."
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    I see an FOI amendment made it through the Dail recently, and included NAMA

    Where, in the opinion of the head of a public body,
    it would be in the public interest to provide specific information
    or record(s) then such information or record(s) shall be pro20
    vided by that head and or that public body.”.
    “(12A) Notwithstanding the provisions contained in subsections
    (1) to (12) of this section, any fee charged for the search
    for and/or retrieval of a record shall not exceed €500.
    3.—Paragraph 1(1) of Schedule 1 of the Principal Act is amended
    to include the following public bodies and or specific functions of
    public bodies:
    “Central Bank of Ireland — administrative functions,
    25 Health and Safety Authority — enforcement functions,
    National Asset Management Agency,
    National Treasury Management Agency,
    An Garda Síochána — administrative functions,
    Property Registration Authority,
    30 Road Safety Authority,
    Vocational Educational Committees”.
    All new public bodies established from the date of the enactment
    of this Bill shall be required to comply with the Principal Act,
    as amended, unless expressly precluded by law.
    http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/b...112/b5112d.pdf
    "The land Coillte Teo is now selling for development was given to them by the State in 1988 to ensure that our woodlands were run commercially, not to enable them to sell the family silver to service bank loans".
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    tweeting from court now

    https://twitter.com/gavinsblog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    tweeting from court now

    https://twitter.com/gavinsblog
    I wonder what the judges would think of that if it was brought to their attention?

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    Allowed now in some of the courts. They were all tweeting from the Quinn case the last day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Allowed now in some of the courts. They were all tweeting from the Quinn case the last day
    Found this from the UK. Do our courts operate on the same basis?

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    Perhaps, I assume it would always be at the Judge's discretion anyway.
    It has been relaxed in the Dáil gallery too. At least I think so.

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    FG still dragging their feet on this

    Deputy Pearse Doherty: NAMA is still not subject to the Freedom of Information Acts which should be a matter of urgency for the Government.
    Deputy Brian Hayes: The Deputy has a fair point to make on the Freedom of Information Acts. I have heard similar comments being made by other Members of the House. This is something at which the Government is looking. We have given a commitment to amend the legislation. In that context, we will look at applying freedom of information legislation to NAMA, or parts of it. This would lead to the provision of useful information for all Deputies and the public.
    debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/02/22/00011.asp
    "The land Coillte Teo is now selling for development was given to them by the State in 1988 to ensure that our woodlands were run commercially, not to enable them to sell the family silver to service bank loans".
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    Judgement on the NAMA vs OCEI case will be delivered on Wednesday morning apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Judgement on the NAMA vs OCEI case will be delivered on Wednesday morning apparently.
    The Story are following

    http://thestory.ie/2013/02/26/nama-d...28The+Story%29
    "The land Coillte Teo is now selling for development was given to them by the State in 1988 to ensure that our woodlands were run commercially, not to enable them to sell the family silver to service bank loans".
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    Game on! Noonan will be worried


    Gavin Sheridan ‏@gavinsblog

    OCEI has lawfully interpreted the regulations. NAMA appeal dismissed
    "The land Coillte Teo is now selling for development was given to them by the State in 1988 to ensure that our woodlands were run commercially, not to enable them to sell the family silver to service bank loans".
    - Friends of the Irish Environment, 28.04.2003

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Game on! Noonan will be worried
    Well done to Gavin Sheridan.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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