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    OBAMA'S GAY MARRIAGE MUDDLE - "President Barack Obama was cruising along happily in the slow lane on gay marriage, but he's been sideswiped by his own vice president and [Education Secretary Arne Duncan] his best friend in the Cabinet - who have veered off-message in a provocatively public way," Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Martin and Glenn Thrush write in the story leading our site this morning. "Obama wants to target Mitt Romney but suddenly finds himself playing defense on marriage equality, a social issue that poses a political triple threat: Embracing it risks alienating religiously conservative independents, blacks and Latinos in swing states. Delaying or opposing it ticks off gay Democratic donors and young voters who overwhelmingly support it. But the third path adopted by the president and his advisers...could undermine Obama's 2012 message that he's still a new-breed leader willing to brave political peril for principle." http://politi.co/ILqQEP


    EXPOSES INTERNAL WHITE HOUSE TENSIONS - 1 IN 6 BUNDLERS ARE GAY: "Several people close to the White House said the episode has exposed internal tensions within Obama's team between those who want the president to say he favors same-sex marriage before the November election and others who worry about a political backlash if he does," Peter Wallsten and Dan Eggen write on the front of today's Washington Post. "About one in six of Obama's top campaign 'bundlers' are gay, according to a Washington Post review of donor lists , making it difficult for the president to defer the matter...Strategists for [Romney] think that any sustained focus on same-sex marriage could help unite the conservative coalition behind his candidacy, particularly in key swing states such as Iowa, where the Republican Party remains deeply fractured after a bruising primary campaign." http://wapo.st/JZ4BbN


    NEW GALLUP POLL - AMERICANS EVENLY SPLIT ON GAY MARRIAGE: A Gallup poll out this morning findsthat50 percent believe same-sex marriages should be recognized by law as valid with the same rights as traditional marriages. That's steady with a year ago, when their poll found 53 percent approve. This week 48 percent say it should not be legal. Among Democrats, 65 percent support legalization. Among independents, it's 57-40. Meanwhile, three-quarters of Republicans continue to oppose gay marriage. Gallup graphic tracks how opinions have shifted since 1996: http://bit.ly/JsUwUK . A Wall Street Journal/NBC poll in March found 49 percent favoring gay marriage and 40 percent opposed: http://on.wsj.com/Jal3qU.


    FROM THE TRENCHES OF THE MARRIAGE WAR -
    THE NORTH CAROLINA AMENDMENT banning gay marriage will almost certainly pass today.
    DAVID AXELROD struggled on CNN last night to explain the president's position: "I'm not going to make news for the President," he said. "The President speaks very well for himself, Piers." Video of Axe: http://bit.ly/IA2QBW. Jay Carney said he doesn't have an update on where the president's views have evolved to during yesterday's briefing: http://politi.co/ITdtVh. Video of Arne Duncan on Morning Joe: http://on.msnbc.com/JNrBZw.


    FRANK BRUNI, the New York Times columnist, writes today that he understands why continues to officially oppose gay marriage: "It's smart politics. But it's hardly audacious, and not so inspiring." He notes the irony that the president is appearing with Andrew Cuomo today, who helped spearhead legislation allowing gay marriage. http://nyti.ms/KILAK0


    DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, the DNC Chair, opened a one-day White House LGBT Conference on Aging in Miami that drew 160 gay activists yesterday. The Miami Herald: http://bit.ly/LzS0QH.


    THE DCCC sent a fundraising solicitation Monday off House Speaker John Boehner's support for the House defending the Defense of Marriage Act. http://huff.to/KIJYA8


    OBAMA himself is holding a fundraiser for his LGBT Leadership Council in Beverly Hills on June 6. He formed the National LGBT Leadership Council in 2007 to gather gay supporters into "one fundraising and organizing powerhouse," according to the Huffington Post. http://huff.to/JYcuy4


    COLORADO CIVIL UNION BILL COULD PASS WITH GOP BACKING: "Supporters of a bill that would allow civil unions for same-sex couples in Colorado were hopeful on Monday that the legislation, buoyed by the support of key Republican lawmakers who broke party ranks, would pass before the legislative session ended this week," the New York Times reports. "The bill, which has already cleared the State Senate, passed a pair of House committees last week capping a whirlwind few days where its fate was uncertain. The bill was poised to pass a final committee before facing a full vote on the floor of the House of Representatives, where Republicans hold a 33-to-32 majority. Supporters say they have the votes to send the legislation to Gov. John W. Hickenlooper, who has said he would sign it. But it was still uncertain whether the bill would reach the final committee in time, or if the Republican leadership would bring the bill to the House floor - effectively killing it." http://nyti.ms/IDQXJS


    FLAP HIGHLIGHT'S BIDEN'S "UNEASY SUPPORTING ROLE": The New York Times puts a Joe Biden story, pegged loosely to the Sunday comments that started this firestorm, on A1. "Mr. Biden's effort to subordinate his own voice (or manhood) to the broader enterprise has been a struggle," Mark Leibovich writes. "As with any union of opposites, the one between the rambling vice president and his cautious boss has required time, patience and adjustments. Early on, for instance, it would drive Mr. Obama nuts to stand onstage waiting for Mr. Biden to introduce every dignitary in the room. So the president dispatched a top adviser, Valerie Jarrett, to relay his displeasure to Mr. Biden's office, according to top aides to both men. They initiated a fix: in future joint appearances, the president would remain offstage until the verbose vice president finished talking." http://nyti.ms/LD4yqu
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    I had a quote I put on facebook yesterday. It said something along the lines of American Deep South "where being gay is a choice but obesity is a genetic condition". The North Carolinians Christian fundamentalists are claiming this as a victory for the church. So let me get this straight (pardon the pun) , the sky fairy made everyone in his own image but made a couple of mistakes and left some us bent?

    Anyways pink news reports that Obamas supporters are in favour if only just...

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/05/11...qual-marriage/
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    I had noted up thread the possibility that my own state of Md. might be the first to legalize same sex divorce, before it legalized same sex marriage. It has come to pass.

    Md.’s highest court voted 7-0 yesterday to permit the divorce of same sex couples legally married in other states, on the grounds that such divorce was “required” since “recognition is required under the legal doctrine of "comity" because same-sex marriage is neither "repugnant" to the state's public policy nor expressly prohibited by state law”.

    It looks likely that voters will approve SSM if it makes it to the November ballot. If the question does not make it to ballot SSM becomes law by default.
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    From the Belfast Newsletter today:

    DEAN Tom Gordon – whose civil partnership last summer led to the current Church of Ireland debate about homosexuality – should state whether he is in a sexual relationship, Bishop Harold Miller has said.
    In his first public comments about Dean Gordon’s position, Bishop Miller said that he saw some merit in the Church of England’s regulation which makes clergy in civil partnerships give their bishop an assurance that they are celibate.

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/local/gay-row-cleric-should-clarify-whether-relationship-is-sexual-1-3843633

    You couldn't make it up, could you?

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    One of the main Eurovision websites, ESC Today was hacked by Iranian hackers who accused the organisers of Eurovision of having a gay agenda. The website didnt back up anything and lost about ten years worth of work.
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    GAY MARRIAGE-

    BATTLE OVER PROP 8 PROBABLY HEADED TO SUPREME COURT - DECISION LIKELY ONE YEAR FROM NOW: "A federal appeals court Tuesday refused to reconsider its ruling striking down California's voter-approved gay-marriage ban, known as Proposition 8," Josh Gerstein reports. "Supporters of the ban immediately said they would appeal to the high court. While the Obama Administration could get pulled into the high-profile legal fight before November, it's exceedingly unlikely the court would rule prior to the election. But justices are expected to start considering whether to take the case in the fall, just as the presidential election gets into high gear...A key lawyer for Prop. 8 challengers, Ted Olson, said they will try to preserve the ruling for same-sex marriage rights in California by opposing the Supreme Court taking up the case. However, the former solicitor general didn't sound averse to making a stand for same-sex marriage rights if the justices vote to take the case." http://politi.co/MeEuAw

    ATTITUDES TOWARD GAY COMMUNITY CHANGING: "A CNN/ORC international survey released Wednesday also indicates that the number of Americans who say they have a close friend or family member who is gay has jumped from 49% in 2010 to 60% today, the first time in CNN polling that a majority of Americans have said that...54% now say that marriages between gay and lesbian couples should be recognized as valid by law, with 42% opposed." http://bit.ly/Nh2Xat

    MINNESOTA MOVING AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE BAN: A PPP poll released yesterday showed only 43% support the November ballot initiative, with 49% opposed. That's down from 48/44 in February. "The shift since then has come with independent voters," says Tom Jensen. "After previously supporting the amendment by a 50/40 spread, they're now opposing it 54/37." http://bit.ly/JJSVsH

    SANTORUM GROUP TO FOCUS ON FAMILY ISSUES: "On Tuesday, sources close to Santorum told ABC News that the former presidential candidate will be announcing the formation of a 501 c(4) organization that he will use to pursue a set of issues he has fought for during much of his political career," per Shush Walshe and Michael Falcone. "This first wave of issues is likely to focus on an agenda that includes anti-abortion and faith and family causes...Monday night he and his old presidential campaign staff met for a reunion of sorts - a trip to a Northern Virginia bowling alley." http://abcn.ws/LqOfre

    Garrett Epps in The American Prospect on the Prop. 8 ruling Yesterday a federal court of appeals declined to revisit their ruling that California's Prop. 8, banning same-sex marriage, was unconstitutional. The ruling pushes the case closer to the Supreme Court, and Epps writes that the milquetoast rebuttal offered by the dissenting judge reveals much about the tide of opinion. Justice O’Scannlain relied, rather oddly, on President Obama's recent comments on same-sex marriage in a bid for more debate on the issue. "[I]f, in May 2012, the best argument O'Scannlain can think of is 'President Obama said we can still argue about this,; he must feel the ground not just moving but liquefying under his feet
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    Opponents of same sex marriage in Maryland seeking to petition the issue to the November ballot needed to provide 18,000 signatures to meet an interim deadline of May 31st. They need to provide a total of 51,000 signatures to meet a final deadline in September. Instead, they provided 113,000 signatures by May 31st.

    Looks like Md. and Washington State will have the issue of legalizing GM on the ballot in November. Other states may have the issue of banning it on the ballot. There is a sense that the tide is turning.
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    Denmark's parliament has approved a law allowing same-sex couples to get married in formal church weddings instead of the short blessing ceremonies the state's Lutheran Church currently offers. MPs voted 85-24 today to change Denmark's marriage laws. The law takes effect June 15 and will put Denmark on par with countries such as Iceland and Sweden that allow full wedding ceremonies for gay and lesbian couples. LINK
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    Moscow has moved to ban gay rights marches...

    http://www.39online.com/newsfix/kiah...,5638334.story

    I would not advocate a call to arms for the LGBT community in Russia but if laws become more draconian they may have to think about fighting for their rights in some way. While I disagree with violence it is understandable if they want to fight for their rights. Imagine Russia has no problem sending in copters to Syria but this? ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Saw that, he had the party whip removed from him for his comments. Thankfully the UUP distanced themselves from the comments....
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    Anti gay parenting study gets holes punched in it. Shows that there is some flaws in the work...

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...12/06/25/42133
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    Pride parade is on Saturday isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Pride parade is on Saturday isn't it?
    Tis indeed. Im not a fan of it, my friends go but I will be off playing Risk and drinking rum most of Saturday! Gay pride is one of them things that Im conflicted about, its good we get a voice in the gay community but it no where near represents me as a gay man then again I represent myself so best to leave the others to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    Tis indeed. Im not a fan of it, my friends go but I will be off playing Risk and drinking rum most of Saturday! Gay pride is one of them things that Im conflicted about, its good we get a voice in the gay community but it no where near represents me as a gay man then again I represent myself so best to leave the others to it
    That's a view I hear from a lesbian couple who are friends of mine. One of them goes further and claims that Pride parades are damaging the gay cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    That's a view I hear from a lesbian couple who are friends of mine. One of them goes further and claims that Pride parades are damaging the gay cause.
    Im not going to disagree with them on that Baron. To me I can live my life where being gay is just another part of my life. I dont feel a need to proclaim it (except playing wingman for my housemate tht works out very well ) but a lot of the gay community do. Stonewall years ago which was the start of the gay rights movement happened in a different era to now where the world is very different. Campaigners like Peter Tatchell make people think we are complete gombeens and idiots at times. If the gay community wants to engage people and make a case we need to look to people like Senator Norris who fought for homosexuality to be decriminalised and the amazing work of people like the Gay Mens Health Service who work to improve the lives of gay men but dont crow about it. I even cringe when I use the term "we" as if Im part of some collective, Im part of humanity. For a while I was involved in one gay group and I ran a coffee night for young men who didnt like the whole gay scene. Some spent their time trying to paint themselves as butcher than others (I did this myself when i first came out but learnt its silly). The gay community should engage through politics, activisim and other areas of social and civic life
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