Ireland versus the Vatican

[Andrew49]

Ireland says: The standards of conduct which the Church deems appropriate to itself, cannot and will not, be applied to the workings of democracy and civil society in this republic.

The Vatican says: Standards of conduct, appropriate to civil society or the workings of a democracy, cannot be purely and simply applied to the Church.

Over to you Ireland

[Griska]

I read today that the Vatican has requested that Enda Kenny provide evidence for his claim that the Holy See interfered with the inquiry into clerical abuse.

I would like to see Mr. Kenny point out that he nor this state are responsible for the behaviour that is being questioned.

Edit:Sorry, this is addressed on another thread.

[Andrew49]

De delictis gravioribus (Latin for "on more serious crimes") was a letter written on 18 May 2001 by then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to all the Bishops of the Catholic Church and the other Ordinaries concerned, including those of the Eastern Catholic Churches. The letter was published in the official gazette of the Holy See, the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, in 2001.[1] Link

The fathers of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith examined the commission's work carefully and submitted to the supreme pontiff conclusions on the determination of more grave delicts and the manner of proceeding to declare or impose sanctions, with the exclusive competence in this of the apostolic tribunal of this congregation remaining firm. All these things, approved by the supreme pontiff himself, were confirmed and promulgated by the apostolic letter given motu proprio beginning with the words Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela.

-A delict against morals, namely: the delict committed by a cleric against the Sixth Commandment of the Decalogue with a minor below the age of 18 years.

Only these delicts, which are indicated above with their definition, are reserved to the apostolic tribunal of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

The right of appealing against a sentence of the first instance, whether on the part of the party or the party's legal representative, or on the part of the promoter of justice, solely remains valid only to the supreme tribunal of this congregation.

All tribunals of the Latin church and the Eastern Catholic churches are bound to observe the canons on delicts and penalties, and also on the penal process of both codes respectively, together with the special norms which are transmitted by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for an individual case and which are to be executed entirely.
Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret.

Quite a damning letter by Ratzinger 10 years ago in May 2001 - Link

[Dr. FIVE]

Kenny to meet the pope in Rome this weekend.

Anything to do with the final I wonder?

[5intheface]

Kenny to meet the pope in Rome this weekend.

Anything to do with the final I wonder?

He may need to apply to a higher authority

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Why the ***** in this day and age is the Irish Taoiseach, given what we know of that execrable organisation, sidling up for a meeting in Rome with Legs Benedict?

Will the Taoiseach be requesting a meeting with the Russian mafia next time he is in Moscow for a trade mission?