Obama Administration join British on fishing expedition in witch hunt against Gerry Adams (The Boston College Affair)

[Count Bobulescu]

McIntyre and Ed Moloney to appeal:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...323462973.html

Hope none of the Supremes read that very badly worded report. They might have a different view when the Petition for Cert. comes up. It makes no sense at all. If you listen to the final few seconds of the Newshour report I posted, that says that oral argument in the case at the US Circuit Court of Appeal, (one step below the Supremes), begins in Boston in September.

McIntyre and Moloney seem to be saying that either they are going to try to bypass that Circuit Court segment and attempt to go directly to the Supremes, or appeal the outcome of the Circuit Court if it is unfavorable. It seems very late in the day to be making decisions like that. Not for the first time an IT report adds to rather than detracts from the confusion.

[C. Flower]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...urs-Price.html

Dolours Price, who was imprisoned for life for taking part in bombings in Britain, has given an interview to the UK Daily Telegraph, a right wing establishment newspaper.

Dolours Price is the sister of Marian Price, who has currently in jail as a result of having spoken at a public meeting.

Price has alleged that Adams directed bombing operations in which she took part, as well as abductions and killings. These allegations have been made many times before, and are denied by Sinn Fein and Adams.

The Price sisters joined the IRA in reaction to the introduction of internment by the British. According to the Telegraph, she talked about the fun and excitement of active service, something not often addressed by fighters/soldiers of any type.

It is hard to see what she hopes to achieve by giving this interview (just as it is hard to see why Adams denies so much that so many people say he did). It seems to be a question of "shaking the tree to see what will fall out." But I think that Sinn Fein's very solid and consistent showing in Irish opinion polls may underly the interest of the Telegraph in publishing it.

In 1980 Price was granted the royal prerogative of mercy and the following year was freed on humanitarian grounds, suffering from anorexia nervosa. She had served eight years of the “minimum” 20 years of her life sentence.
However, she remained committed to her cause and during the late 1990s spoke out against the Good Friday Agreement.
Until now Price, who claims to suffer from post traumatic stress disorder as a result of being force fed, and has attempted suicide on a number of occasions, has said little publicly about her role in the IRA. Between 2001 and 2006 she agreed to be interviewed for the college’s oral history Belfast Project.
In 2010, she offered to help the Independent Commission for the Location of Victims’ Remains to find the graves of three men abducted and killed by the IRA, Joe Lynskey, Seamus Wright and Kevin McKee – although she has not offered to co-operate with the Police Service of Northern Ireland.
Dolours’s sister Marian is currently in prison hospital in Northern Ireland after falling ill while on remand for charges relating to aiding the dissident Real IRA’s campaign of violence.
Adams denies Price’s claims. He said: “I reject again, as I have consistently rejected, the allegations contained in The Sunday Telegraph interview.”
Price herself remains unrepentant about her role. Asked if she is happy that what she now says may disrupt the peace process, she says: “I don’t believe in the process. ,” she said. “I think the process should be undermined, I think the process should be destroyed in some way and I think Gerry Adams, deserves to admit to his part, in all of the things that happened.”

[riposte]

If what Dolours Price says is true ..... then she is an informer.

As a member of the IRA she is forbidden from revealing her membership and from revealing the names of other members known to her.

It appears that her opposition to "the Peace Process" and the "Good Friday Agreement" justifies any lie or any tactic to destroy these agreements.

Her attitude to Adams can only be construed as "a personal gripe."

Her tactics here will do nothing to gain support for her sister's plight.

[C. Flower]

Has Martin McGuinness not revealed his membership ?

[jmcc]

Guess the rise of Sinn Fein has unsettled some in the UK and the Sindo.

Regards...jmcc

[C. Flower]

Guess the rise of Sinn Fein has unsettled some in the UK and the Sindo.

Regards...jmcc

I agree. The leadership may be acceptable enough, but I guess they may not so sure of the membership.

[jmcc]

The problem for the Sindonistas is that there's almost a generation of people in Ireland for whom the issue is ancient history. Those in the UK may have other motivations in that if Scotland decides on independence it might complicate an organised and gradual reunification of Ireland. They may also realise that if a new right of centre party emerges in the next few years, then Fine Gael will split and Sinn Fein will end up the largest party in the South.

Regards...jmcc

[C. Flower]

The problem for the Sindonistas is that there's almost a generation of people in Ireland for whom the issue is ancient history. Those in the UK may have other motivations in that if Scotland decides on independence it might complicate an organised and gradual reunification of Ireland. They may also realise that if a new right of centre party emerges in the next few years, then Fine Gael will split and Sinn Fein will end up the largest party in the South.

Regards...jmcc

From what I've read online, a lot of the younger people newly affiliating to SF want a cleaner, smarter, younger and more urban version of Fianna Fail. This would not suit the Sindo which is so tied up historically with FF.
I don't think it has much to do with independence, which is a pretty well marginalised / illegalised concept these days in Ireland.

For the British, Sinn Fein members are just unreliable. Independence might be just in the DNA, even if only at an unconscious level.

I don't think the British establishment is at all keen on the idea of Scottish Independence. But the GFA was set up in such a way as to accommodate development of a kind of Mark II Commonwealth, with reduced, rather than increased, independence for the South.

The fallacy underlying nearly all discussion on this is the false belief that when Ireland and Britain take part in treaties and shared organisations and fora, it is on an equal basis.

[jmcc]

From what I've read online, a lot of the younger people newly affiliating to SF want a cleaner, smarter, younger and more urban version of Fianna Fail. This would not suit the Sindo which is so tied up historically with FF.

The Sindo is toxic. It is from a different century.

I don't think it has much to do with independence, which is a pretty well marginalised / illegalised concept these days in Ireland.

I think the next few years are going to come as a huge shock to those EUnuchs in the Irish Times and RTE. Though in name the Irish Times might claim to be Irish, there's a widening gulf between the EUnuchs and the Irish people that is almost identical to the split that occurred from the end of the Fenians up to 1916.

For the British, Sinn Fein members are just unreliable.

I don't think that they are. In real terms, SF is a lot more reliable than Fine Gael, Fianna Fail or Labour. SF has an ethos whereas the others are basically driven by greed.

I don't think the British establishment is at all keen on the idea of Scottish Independence.

Perhaps not but NuLabour destroyed the British identity so the British establishment may shift back to old historical realities. A confederation of Ireland, England, Wales and Scotland might suit them better.

Regards...jmcc

[C. Flower]

The Sindo is toxic. It is from a different century.

Ah - so that explains it. I wonder will SF find a daily ?

I think the next few years are going to come as a huge shock to those EUnuchs in the Irish Times and RTE. Though in name the Irish Times might claim to be Irish, there's a widening gulf between the EUnuchs and the Irish people that is almost identical to the split that occurred from the end of the Fenians up to 1916.

I think that there is a widening gulf, but there will be deepening fissures between different tendencies in nationalism too.

I don't think that they are. In real terms, SF is a lot more reliable than Fine Gael, Fianna Fail or Labour. SF has an ethos whereas the others are basically driven by greed

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The British prefer to deal with corrupt governments of small countries. It's cheaper and quicker to get their own way.

Perhaps not but NuLabour destroyed the British identity so the British establishment may shift back to old historical realities. A confederation of Ireland, England, Wales and Scotland might suit them better.

Regards...jmcc

Getting the South of Ireland back under sway would be the pay off.

[jmcc]

Getting the South of Ireland back under sway would be the pay off.

There's a terrible irony in that the South is perhaps closer to Old Britain than the mess that Labour tried to create as part of its plan for the dilution of the Tory vote.

Regards...jmcc

[C. Flower]

There's a terrible irony in that the South is perhaps closer to Old Britain than the mess that Labour tried to create as part of its plan for the dilution of the Tory vote.

Regards...jmcc

Interesting idea, but how would getting rid of Scotland help Labour ?

[jmcc]

Interesting idea, but how would getting rid of Scotland help Labour ?

The Tory vote was destroyed in Scotland but the Labour vote was not. Getting rid of Scotland wouldn't help Labour but it would not be of that great a consequence to a more England focused Tory party. This way a confederation, with more devolution for Scotland and Wales might suit the long term plans of the British establishment. Divide and rule.

Regards...jmcc

[Apjp]

From what I've read online, a lot of the younger people newly affiliating to SF want a cleaner, smarter, younger and more urban version of Fianna Fail. This would not suit the Sindo which is so tied up historically with FF.
I don't think it has much to do with independence, which is a pretty well marginalised / illegalised concept these days in Ireland.

For the British, Sinn Fein members are just unreliable. Independence might be just in the DNA, even if only at an unconscious level.

I don't think the British establishment is at all keen on the idea of Scottish Independence. But the GFA was set up in such a way as to accommodate development of a kind of Mark II Commonwealth, with reduced, rather than increased, independence for the South.

The fallacy underlying nearly all discussion on this is the false belief that when Ireland and Britain take part in treaties and shared organisations and fora, it is on an equal basis.

From what you've read online perhaps. My own view is SF could step into the long desired space in Irish politics for a leftwing republican party. It is true that we only have their actions in the North to look at over the last 5 years or so. However, a SF in power in both sides of the border elected by an increasingly anti troika electorate could significantly change things here, and may even scare them enough to do what they promise should they get elected.

In any case the way things are(gradually) going in the south is that Labour will soon be done away with for their treachery just like FF, and that FG faces a significant drop in votes as well in the next election. In any case SF must see that if they are elected in the next 5-10 years, they will go the same way as the other 3 parties unless they deliver.

As shaadi said a SF led govt. is a blunt enough tool to threaten the current establishment with. Long term, only time will tell. It would definitely offer the opportunity for radical change by southern Irish standards. Personally I would not be against a left wing republic in which sovereignty is taken back from the troika. If, in 5 or 10 odd years, SF prove to be the same as everyone else then things will really be up for grabs.

[Apjp]

The fear of the British and Irish establishment at a SF govt. will only make the scenario more appealing to many voters. In any case we are bound to see a huge increase in their dail numbers in a few years, and coupled with a marginal increase for the ULA and leftwing independents, may offer an outlet to the 40% of the electorate who have voted for what they believed to be leftwing parties and against eu referenda in the last few years.