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    Meath County Council, with the back-up of an armed Garda "support unit", raided a childrens' play area and petting zoo in a housing estate outside Navan, on Tuesday morning at 7.00 a.m..

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...300651811.html

    MEATH COUNTY Council staff yesterday began to dismantle a pet farm and playground which the local authority said was built without planning permission on a green area in an estate in Kentstown, outside Navan.
    Council staff were accompanied by gardaí, including members of the armed regional response unit, yesterday. It is understood they arrived at 7.30am with a mini-digger and flat-bed lorries.
    The council said in April 2010 it had written to the landowners about the unauthorised development. The owners said they had not built the facility. The council said it could not “firmly establish” or “prove” whose development it was and wrote to every resident in the estate and said it would be “removing the structure”.
    Pet animals such as rabbits and ducks were loaded into cages to be taken away by the council, much to the anger of locals. Later, the animals were handed over to the residents, who said they would take responsibility for them.


    The pet farm site is in Churchfields estate, directly across from the home of resident Alan Bradley, who strongly criticised the council yesterday. He said it was the only amenity for children nearby, another playground being some 8km away in Duleek.
    “It’s a disgrace what they are doing here. We were ringing the council about cleaning it [the site] up – the council wouldn’t clean it up and they had no interest in it,” he said. When it was cleaned up and “a playground and a bit of a pets’ corner put in, they have a problem with it. We all chipped in together – the fence was €3,500.”
    Heavy-handed state vandalism ?

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    Default Maidir Le: Armed Police support Meath County Council Dawn Swoop on Community Petting Zoo

    Well they should have removed it but sending in armed gardaí was ridiculous. Given their whinging about lack of resources, one would imagine they'd concentrate whatever resources they have on important things like the Anglo investigation, but no, that'd be logical and An Garda Síochána doesn't do logic.
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    Default Re: Maidir Le: Armed Police support Meath County Council Dawn Swoop on Community Petting Zoo

    Quote Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian View Post
    Well they should have removed it but sending in armed gardaí was ridiculous. Given their whinging about lack of resources, one would imagine they'd concentrate whatever resources they have on important things like the Anglo investigation, but no, that'd be logical and An Garda Síochána doesn't do logic.
    Why do you think they should have removed it ?

    Just listening to JD Show - the area now seems to be overun with geese and budgies and the children are playing on the motorway.

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    There's no point in having laws if they're not enforced.

    The article doesn't say why members of the armed response unit were present. There may have been threats of violence against staff involved in removing the unlawful structures or it could be as simple as them being the only gardaí available.

    We know that traffic corps units are deployed on general policing duties such as cash escort so perhaps the same applies to the ARU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    There's no point in having laws if they're not enforced.

    The article doesn't say why members of the armed response unit were present. There may have been threats of violence against staff involved in removing the unlawful structures or it could be as simple as them being the only gardaí available.

    We know that traffic corps units are deployed on general policing duties such as cash escort so perhaps the same applies to the ARU.

    The laws in this country are applied so selectively that we may say there is no point in having them.

    There is open hard drug dealing going on all over the towns and cities, and the Gardaí have to carry guns to close down a childrens' playground ?

    It seems that the Council had left this area of land in a derelict and littered condition that if they were a private citizen would have been an offence.

    They have provided no safe play area or facilities for local children and did not reply to peoples' letters asking for the area to be made safe and cleaned up.

    When people did the community-minded thing, and put money and time into providing a play area for their children, it was bull-dozed.

    Some local authorities work well with local communities on this kind of project, but others (Dublin is one example) just seem to relish knocking communities back.

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    What, in the name of The Flying Spaghetti Monster is happening to this place?
    Armed police.
    This is insane.
    Where are we headed?
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    Default Re: Armed Police support Meath County Council Dawn Swoop on Community Petting Zoo

    Not the first time Alan Bradley has called LiveLine:
    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...l-1202501.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe McGillycuddy View Post
    Not the first time Alan Bradley has called LiveLine:
    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...l-1202501.html

    Which one was Alan Bradley ?

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    Default Re: Armed Police support Meath County Council Dawn Swoop on Community Petting Zoo

    In the US, a woman is threatened with jail for growing vegetables in her front garden.

    http://www.sodahead.com/living/shoul...6180e6d9ec39a2

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The laws in this country are applied so selectively that we may say there is no point in having them.
    Good point. It is a complete absurdity.

    But Ireland is not alone in this sort of stupidity. A guy in BC is facing 6 months for growing food. He turned a gravel pit into an organic farm. Shocker.

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011...owing-food.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Which one was Alan Bradley ?
    Fatpuss.

    If it is the same Alan Bradley I guess that explains the armed cops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Fatpuss.

    If it is the same Alan Bradley I guess that explains the armed cops.
    It might also explain the budgies.

    http://www.tribune.ie/archive/articl...ls-for-lifers/

    But, what did they expect ? An armed defence of the guinea-pig hutch ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    In the US, a woman is threatened with jail for growing vegetables in her front garden.

    http://www.sodahead.com/living/shoul...6180e6d9ec39a2
    I think Ms. Bass has a good defense lined up:
    "Michelle Obama plants vegetables on White House front lawn. I don't think the jury is going to think that it's suitable for the White House, but it's not suitable for Oak Park," he told ABC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The laws in this country are applied so selectively that we may say there is no point in having them.
    The problem of selective application wont be solved by calling for more selective application. If it's ok to ignore the planning law in this case is it ok for developers to ignore it?

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    There is open hard drug dealing going on all over the towns and cities, and the Gardaí have to carry guns to close down a childrens' playground ?
    So far we don't know the circumstances surrounding the deployment of the ARU. There may have been threats of violence or even a history of violence towards council workers involved with this. The council has a duty of care towards staff and if there were threat they would have to protect against them.

    It could, as I've said above, been as simple as the ARU being the only warm bodies available so they were sent out. We simply don't know so it would be prudent to hold off on criticism until we do.

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    It seems that the Council had left this area of land in a derelict and littered condition that if they were a private citizen would have been an offence.

    They have provided no safe play area or facilities for local children and did not reply to peoples' letters asking for the area to be made safe and cleaned up.

    When people did the community-minded thing, and put money and time into providing a play area for their children, it was bull-dozed.

    Some local authorities work well with local communities on this kind of project, but others (Dublin is one example) just seem to relish knocking communities back.
    Why didn't the community get planning permission?

    Were the facilities safe and suitable for the kids? Who was responsible for supervision and was everyone who would be involved with the children vetted? Was there adequate insurance?

    And what of the animals, who was responsible for their welfare? Would they have access to proper veterinary care?

    If an organisation is prepared to cut corners on the planning law then chances are they'll cut them elsewhere as well.

    It's very easy to get worked up about a 'Big bad council takes fluffy animal off child' headline but the true story will pretty much always be a tad more complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    The problem of selective application wont be solved by calling for more selective application. If it's ok to ignore the planning law in this case is it ok for developers to ignore it?



    So far we don't know the circumstances surrounding the deployment of the ARU. There may have been threats of violence or even a history of violence towards council workers involved with this. The council has a duty of care towards staff and if there were threat they would have to protect against them.

    It could, as I've said above, been as simple as the ARU being the only warm bodies available so they were sent out. We simply don't know so it would be prudent to hold off on criticism until we do.



    Why didn't the community get planning permission?

    Were the facilities safe and suitable for the kids? Who was responsible for supervision and was everyone who would be involved with the children vetted? Was there adequate insurance?

    And what of the animals, who was responsible for their welfare? Would they have access to proper veterinary care?

    If an organisation is prepared to cut corners on the planning law then chances are they'll cut them elsewhere as well.

    It's very easy to get worked up about a 'Big bad council takes fluffy animal off child' headline but the true story will pretty much always be a tad more complicated.
    A good local authority would work with that community, who are prepared to put money and time into making their estate a decent place for their children to live, and help them deal with planning and health and safety issues.

    I can firmly predict that in five years time we will be reading about drug deaths of teenagers in this area and I know who I will feel is responsible.

    The bottom line is that they did take fluffy animals off the children and that they didn't mind them playing among abandoned fridges, a much bigger health and safety risk - children regularly die by climbing into them and getting shut in.

    I really don't believe there was any need for a heavy Garda presence at all, and if the ARU were really the last men standing, they did not need to be visibly toting guns.

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