Urban and Rural Ireland - A tale of two Irelands.

[Baron von Biffo]

Pat Rabbitte has refused to order ComReg to ensure access to mobile phone services to rural Ireland.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ge-202367.html

[Baron von Biffo]

An Bord Pleanala has given the go-ahead for the €370m Luas link.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0803/gre...s-link-up.html

Providing more subsidised transport for Dublin is self evidently a better use of taxpayers money than keeping culchie hospitals open.

[Slim Buddha]

An Bord Pleanala has given the go-ahead for the €370m Luas link.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0803/gre...s-link-up.html

Providing more subsidised transport for Dublin is self evidently a better use of taxpayers money than keeping culchie hospitals open.

Dublin badly needs proper public transport infrastructure. It is one of the worst served cities of its size in Europe for public transport.

[Slim Buddha]

Pat Rabbitte has refused to order ComReg to ensure access to mobile phone services to rural Ireland.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ge-202367.html

Surprised at a Mayoman like Pat not appreciating the need for mobile phone access west of Belmullet.

[Baron von Biffo]

Dublin badly needs proper public transport infrastructure. It is one of the worst served cities of its size in Europe for public transport.

And people outside Dublin need a fair shot at surviving accidents or serious illness.

[Slim Buddha]

And people outside Dublin need a fair shot at surviving accidents or serious illness.

You would swear Dublin had the best health service of any city in Europe west of Smolensk if your posts were taken at face value, Baron. We all know the entire health service has been politically maladministered to the point of it being positively dangerous and the current incumbent, while rubbish, is looking marginally better than his highly sinister predecessor.

Within and outwith Dublin, the health service is a camel turd. And was made so deliberately

[Kid Ryder]

You would swear Dublin had the best health service of any city in Europe west of Smolensk if your posts were taken at face value, Baron. We all know the entire health service has been politically maladministered to the point of it being positively dangerous and the current incumbent, while rubbish, is looking marginally better than his highly sinister predecessor.

Within and outwith Dublin, the health service is a camel turd. And was made so deliberately

Outwith????

You've been lurking on too many forums reading 'Sevco Will Rise Again' threads. It's bad for your idiolect...

[Slim Buddha]

Outwith????

You've been lurking on too many forums reading 'Sevco Will Rise Again' threads. It's bad for your idiolect...

Damn, you spotted the Glaswegian influence...................

[Baron von Biffo]

You would swear Dublin had the best health service of any city in Europe west of Smolensk if your posts were taken at face value, Baron. We all know the entire health service has been politically maladministered to the point of it being positively dangerous and the current incumbent, while rubbish, is looking marginally better than his highly sinister predecessor.

Within and outwith Dublin, the health service is a camel turd. And was made so deliberately

Defeat must be admitted here. I have no idea how we got from my comments on lashing hundreds of millions into yet more public transport in Dublin while closing hospitals in the country to me somehow saying that Dublin has the best health service in Europe.

Not between the lines, beside the lines, beyond the lines nor even round the back of the lines can I find anything to stand that up.

[Slim Buddha]

Defeat must be admitted here. I have no idea how we got from my comments on lashing hundreds of millions into yet more public transport in Dublin while closing hospitals in the country to me somehow saying that Dublin has the best health service in Europe.

Not between the lines, beside the lines, beyond the lines nor even round the back of the lines can I find anything to stand that up.

Simply by your saying Dublin is getting the cream while the poor second class citizens outside the Pale are getting the shitty end of the stick.

Dublin is a public transport nightmare. It needed the investment decades ago. In area it is as big as Berlin but has the public transport investment of a small town in Hessen to serve over a million people, It is a disaster zone and it starts when you get off the plane at Dublin Airport.

Your linking that to people dying in the Midlands is frankly ridiculous. Both transport and health need money but you always paint it as Urban Investment Bad, Rural Investment Good. It is not as easy as you imply.

[Baron von Biffo]

Simply by your saying Dublin is getting the cream while the poor second class citizens outside the Pale are getting the shitty end of the stick.

The traditional inequality in resource allocation between Dublin and the rest of the country has become much worse, as I believe the examples in this thread show, under the current Dublin dominated cabinet.

Blatant inequality and discrimination against citizens on the basis of their address are fair subjects for discussion.

Dublin is a public transport nightmare. It needed the investment decades ago. In area it is as big as Berlin but has the public transport investment of a small town in Hessen to serve over a million people, It is a disaster zone and it starts when you get off the plane at Dublin Airport.

Your linking that to people dying in the Midlands is frankly ridiculous. Both transport and health need money but you always paint it as Urban Investment Bad, Rural Investment Good. It is not as easy as you imply.

It's a matter of priorities. Is it better to spend money keeping people alive in one part of the country or providing a second transport system for those in another area?

[Slim Buddha]

The traditional inequality in resource allocation between Dublin and the rest of the country has become much worse, as I believe the examples in this thread show, under the current Dublin dominated cabinet.

Traditional inequality?? Yes, I agree that Dublin Central has been disgracefully penalised by successive governments for decades and the late Tony Gregory was only able to do a certain amount to address the chronic imbalance.

Blatant inequality and discrimination against citizens on the basis of their address are fair subjects for discussion.

Indeed they are!




It's a matter of priorities. Is it better to spend money keeping people alive in one part of the country or providing a second transport system for those in another area?

A second trnasport system?? If you can show me a functiioning "first" transpost system worth the name, I will by you a lotto ticket!

[Baron von Biffo]

Traditional inequality?? Yes, I agree that Dublin Central has been disgracefully penalised by successive governments for decades and the late Tony Gregory was only able to do a certain amount to address the chronic imbalance.

A quick search shows you posted on 6 occasions on the subject of parish pump politics. Each of the six references are critical but I detect no disapproval of Tony Gregory who was the archetypal parish pump politician.

A second trnasport system?? If you can show me a functiioning "first" transpost system worth the name, I will by you a lotto ticket!

Earlier in this thread I linked a story about Dubs whinging that a subsidised service every 15 minutes within walking distance of their homes isn't good enough. It's a grievance I'm at a loss to understand. Perhaps it's because my taxes don't buy me a transport subsidy that I see that as gross ingratitude for a luxurious service.

In any event, even if Dublin's transport system was below par, is it really a good use of scarce resources to plough hundreds of millions of euro into upgrading it when people are dying in ambulances elsewhere in the country?

[Slim Buddha]

Until Gregory came along, the north inner city of Dublin was neglected to a horrendous extent by governments of every hue as the rest of the country got on with its bungalow blight. Gregory was redressing an appalling imbalance and his support was constant insofar as it returned him repeatedly to the Dail and came from across the spectrum.

Your myopia in seeing the allocation of resources only in terms of rural v urban, Dublin v the rest of the country, them v us is really missing the main point; actual needs, urban and rural, are always going to play second fiddle to the scheming of gobshyte morons who see it as their duty to "deliver" in their own constituencies, ensuring that the entire country, urban and rural, suffers.

Gregory was not elected to run the country. He was elected to represent Dublin Central and he was honest in the manner in which he represented his constituency in that his constituents understood exactly where he was coming from and what his priorities were. Hence his durability.

[Baron von Biffo]

Until Gregory came along, the north inner city of Dublin was neglected to a horrendous extent by governments of every hue as the rest of the country got on with its bungalow blight. Gregory was redressing an appalling imbalance and his support was constant insofar as it returned him repeatedly to the Dail and came from across the spectrum.

Your myopia in seeing the allocation of resources only in terms of rural v urban, Dublin v the rest of the country, them v us is really missing the main point; actual needs, urban and rural, are always going to play second fiddle to the scheming of gobshyte morons who see it as their duty to "deliver" in their own constituencies, ensuring that the entire country, urban and rural, suffers.

Gregory was not elected to run the country. He was elected to represent Dublin Central and he was honest in the manner in which he represented his constituency in that his constituents understood exactly where he was coming from and what his priorities were. Hence his durability.

So Gregory was honestly representing his constituency when he sold his vote to Haughey in return for diverting national resources to his own patch but when TDs from outside Dublin do the same thing they're 'scheming gobshyte morons' who make the entire country suffer.

Right or wrong depends on what part of the country we're talking about.