Urban and Rural Ireland - A tale of two Irelands.

[Slim Buddha]

Bluster on DriveTime now whinging that an Irish Rail route between Limerick and Ballybrophy isn't commercially viable. I can't recall a single instance of DriveTime subjecting any urban public transport route to a similar analysis.

Urban public transport is wholly inadequate. Public transport in Dublin is disgraceful. I cannot think of another city of comparable size in continental Europe so pitifully served by such poor public transport.

[Baron von Biffo]

Urban public transport is wholly inadequate. Public transport in Dublin is disgraceful. I cannot think of another city of comparable size in continental Europe so pitifully served by such poor public transport.

Slim, you have the most extraordinary ability to miss the point.

[homer]

Two proposed primary centres in a ministers constituency jump over the queue for resources.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...n-3236173.html

Having a minister in the constituency brings benefits.

That's different because ..............er.........................er....... ......well because it is in the Greater Dublin area, and it could take as much as 20 minutes to get to the nearest hospital

[Slim Buddha]

Slim, you have the most extraordinary ability to miss the point.

The point is that you persist in implying Dublin is an area of bountiful services
The point is that services in Dublin are being slashed by this government.
The point is that Dublin is not benefitting to any great extent from having Ministers based in Dublin constituencies. (Reilly's behaviour is disgraceful and he is the worst minister in this cabinet, and he has real competition!)
The point is that public administration in Ireland is a sick joke and the system itself is designed to fail but you refuse to acknowledge that.
The point is that Laois-Offaly has no Minister and is feeling the draught with the departure of the former Taoiseach, who funneled pork into it for a quarter of a century.

The point is that compared to intelligently run countries, the capital of Ireland is a disgrace when it comes to public facilities, especially public transport.


That is the point!

[Baron von Biffo]

The point is that you persist in implying Dublin is an area of bountiful services
The point is that services in Dublin are being slashed by this government.
The point is that Dublin is not benefitting to any great extent from having Ministers based in Dublin constituencies. (Reilly's behaviour is disgraceful and he is the worst minister in this cabinet, and he has real competition!)
The point is that public administration in Ireland is a sick joke and the system itself is designed to fail but you refuse to acknowledge that.
The point is that Laois-Offaly has no Minister and is feeling the draught with the departure of the former Taoiseach, who funneled pork into it for a quarter of a century.

The point is that compared to intelligently run countries, the capital of Ireland is a disgrace when it comes to public facilities, especially public transport.


That is the point!

As I said, a truly amazing ability to miss the point. Go back and read my post again, or better yet, ask someone who doesn't have a persecution complex to read it for you. You'll be stunned to discover that it has nothing to do with any of the things you're ranting about.

[Slim Buddha]

As I said, a truly amazing ability to miss the point. Go back and read my post again, or better yet, ask someone who doesn't have a persecution complex to read it for you. You'll be stunned to discover that it has nothing to do with any of the things you're ranting about.

I am thoroughly weary of your own erroneous persecution complex: that an allegedly Dublin-centric Cabinet do not care about rural Ireland and favour urban Ireland over rural Ireland, which is the entire premise of this highly divisive thread.

They do not give a monkeys about anybody but themselves, the problem is systemic and things in Ireland, urban and rural, are going to get a lot worse because the system itself will ensure that.

You continue to defend the system by implication, insisting that the problem is that not enough rural TDs are Ministers. I insist that the system must be abolished and replaced with something that works.

But your bean caoineadh antics on this thread, suggesting that Dublin is enjoying a services bounty at the expense of rural Ireland has to be challenged and exposed for the mindless tosh it is. All Ireland is suffering and we know where the blame lies.

[Baron von Biffo]

I am thoroughly weary of your own erroneous persecution complex: that an allegedly Dublin-centric Cabinet do not care about rural Ireland and favour urban Ireland over rural Ireland, which is the entire premise of this highly divisive thread.

They do not give a monkeys about anybody but themselves, the problem is systemic and things in Ireland, urban and rural, are going to get a lot worse because the system itself will ensure that.

You continue to defend the system by implication, insisting that the problem is that not enough rural TDs are Ministers. I insist that the system must be abolished and replaced with something that works.

But your bean caoineadh antics on this thread, suggesting that Dublin is enjoying a services bounty at the expense of rural Ireland has to be challenged and exposed for the mindless tosh it is. All Ireland is suffering and we know where the blame lies.

You didn't ask an unbiased person to read my post, did you?

[Slim Buddha]

You didn't ask an unbiased person to read my post, did you?

My Swiss colleagues may be unbiased but they would also be uninformed.
Any Irish person would be informed but certainly not unbiased.

[Baron von Biffo]

My Swiss colleagues may be unbiased but they would also be uninformed.
Any Irish person would be informed but certainly not unbiased.

Ask one of your Swiss friends to read the post and count how often the word 'Dublin' appears. Ask him/her what I said about the quality of public transport services in Dublin.

[Slim Buddha]

Ask one of your Swiss friends to read the post and count how often the word 'Dublin' appears. Ask him/her what I said about the quality of public transport services in Dublin.

Always by implication, Biffo, always by implication.

[Baron von Biffo]

Always by implication, Biffo, always by implication.

Well that's a very efficient way of taking offence. No need to deal with what's said - just make up whatever you wish had been said and say it was implied.

[Ogiol]

To be fair, dublin, compared to other capital cities, is a bit of a kip. But historically it was never a capital city so that would go a long way to explaining that. It is ingenuine though, to claim that it has no better public services than other parts of the country.

The fact is that decisions such as selling our fishing rights have stunted the whole western seaboard, and no replacement industry has been fomented by the state. Donegal doesnt even have a train service for god sake. But then we're only rural hill billies. Well they're are almost 200,000 rural hill billies, and just beside the 4th biggest city on the island with a further 120,000 people.
Another perfect and ridicullous example would be that sad incident where a woman had to give a garda a lift. That was in Newton Cunningham, a small town in Iniseoin. You could argue that the size is the reason, but what people dont factor in is that newton is just 8 km from Derry city. So rural zone, really??? There is one big problem, its called a border. Thus considering north donegal as rural is a missing the point a bit.

Oh, and i shant start about hospitals or roads, schools or anything like that. Its clear that we cant expect anything like dublin services, but at least minimal ones would fine.

[Slim Buddha]

Well that's a very efficient way of taking offence. No need to deal with what's said - just make up whatever you wish had been said and say it was implied.

But your whole thread is based on this, FFS!

[Baron von Biffo]

But your whole thread is based on this, FFS!

Absolutely not. The thread is about the differences in how rural and urban areas are being treated by this government. I've posted several specific examples of rural areas being treated worse than urban areas and I'm arguing that that's as a result of the overwhelming dominance of urban ministers.

Saying that services have been cut from 'A' but retained at 'B' says nothing about the quality or adequacy of the service in 'B'. The same is true of pointing out that 'B' enjoys a far better level of service than 'A'.

[Baron von Biffo]

The HSE proposes to replace night time ambulance cover in Skibbereen with a rapid response car.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...cy-209391.html

Skibbereen is in the rural constituency of Cork South west which doesn't have a cabinet minister.