Urban and Rural Ireland - A tale of two Irelands.

[fluffybiscuits]

But that's not the case at all. Small houses in cities are worth a lot more than larger houses in the country because the latter have no services.

But it will still go on teh value of the house. The value of the house is proportional to someones ability to pay...

[Baron von Biffo]

But it will still go on teh value of the house. The value of the house is proportional to someones ability to pay...

While there is a direct link between the value of the house and the level of services, there isn't necessarily a link between house value and ability to pay. That's something that will have to be addressed in framing the tax.

[fluffybiscuits]

While there is a direct link between the value of the house and the level of services, there isn't necessarily a link between house value and ability to pay. That's something that will have to be addressed in framing the tax.

The whole tax should be scrapped anyways ! The Troika are prattling on about 0.5% of the value of the house which works out at €3k a year for some families, an astronimcal amount...

[Cato]

The whole tax should be scrapped anyways ! The Troika are prattling on about 0.5% of the value of the house which works out at €3k a year for some families, an astronimcal amount...

The Government look like they will be bringing it in at around 0.25% and will not be taking the Troika's suggestion on the matter. At that, I'll be paying around €380.

And no, I'm not naive enough to believe that this won't be going up in the future.

Personally, I've long been in favour of a property tax. It makes sense to me but radical reform of local government is needed to go along with it.

[fluffybiscuits]

The Government look like they will be bringing it in at around 0.25% and will not be taking the Troika's suggestion on the matter. At that, I'll be paying around €380.

And no, I'm not naive enough to believe that this won't be going up in the future.

Personally, I've long been in favour of a property tax. It makes sense to me but radical reform of local government is needed to go along with it.

The tendency with the tax would be that its not going to say the same. As house prices fall over the years and the economy takes time to recover such measures are going to cave in on itself. The extra charge from my understanding would mean people cant pay extra and as the tax rises and income goes down the same amount is either going to be less or a lot more than what they collect per head in previous years I would have thought. They would have been better taxing top earners who earn €m's and looking at the loopholes there that they could either cut the tax allowance artists get or some other industry....

[Slim Buddha]

While there is a direct link between the value of the house and the level of services, there isn't necessarily a link between house value and ability to pay. That's something that will have to be addressed in framing the tax.

Watch it fluffy!! The argument why ruiral people should pay phuq all is not far away!!!

Paying phuq all is what they are good at, It is their entitlement after all.

They even begrudge the fiver for the septic tank despite the fact that it is their choice to live with it!

[Baron von Biffo]

Watch it fluffy!! The argument why ruiral people should pay phuq all is not far away!!!

Paying phuq all is what they are good at, It is their entitlement after all.

They even begrudge the fiver for the septic tank despite the fact that it is their choice to live with it!

But it's city dwellers choice to live with all the public services so why shouldn't they pay their fair share?

[MPB]

It is totally ridiculous to introduce a tax that can be manipulated by speculators and Bankers.

Most people in Ireland pay a property tax everytime they make a mortgage repayment, as their stamp duty was borrowed when it was included in the price of their home.

Anybody ever remember paying their stamp duty direct to revenue? No? Of course you don,t, because you never did. You paid it to the solicitor and he divvied it out to the seller and the taxman.

By the way, you also paid 2k to the solicitor for providing a service, you could have provided yourself.

[Slim Buddha]

But it's city dwellers choice to live with all the public services so why shouldn't they pay their fair share?

You were bound to trip up eventually and now you have

ALL the public services???

Yeah. Right.

City dwellers have been subsidising the rural areas for generations. And frankly, they are sick of it.

[fluffybiscuits]

You were bound to trip up eventually and now you have

ALL the public services???

Yeah. Right.

City dwellers have been subsidising the rural areas for generations. And frankly, they are sick of it.

But it's city dwellers choice to live with all the public services so why shouldn't they pay their fair share?

And that is where you are both wrong and this is exactly as the government wants. Divide and conquer, the urban vs rural dweller, public vs private ...come off it you two....get a room if ye must

[Slim Buddha]

And that is where you are both wrong and this is exactly as the government wants. Divide and conquer, the urban vs rural dweller, public vs private ...come off it you two....get a room if ye must

Well, fluffy, look who started the thread and observe the tone of it. ..........it is basically one long whinge about the unfairness of the Cabinet make-up and why rural areas are being penalised because they have no Ministers to protect them whereas in Dublin, the citizenry are living it large, basking in a surfeit of public services.

The most dangerous Cabinet Minister, or at least the one who is the greatest threat to your pocket with the Household Charge, proposed Property Tax and Water Charges is Big Phil Hogan, a quintessential rural TD.

[fluffybiscuits]

Well, fluffy, look who started the thread and observe the tone of it. ..........it is basically one long whinge about the unfairness of the Cabinet make-up and why rural areas are being penalised because they have no Ministers to protect them whereas in Dublin, the citizenry are living it large, basking in a surfeit of public services.

The most dangerous Cabinet Minister, or at least the one who is the greatest threat to your pocket with the Household Charge, proposed Property Tax and Water Charges is Big Phil Hogan, a quintessential rural TD.

I dont deny buddy that there is a lot of issues there with the rural constituencies with no TD's being stripped of its assets. !

[Slim Buddha]

I dont deny buddy that there is a lot of issues there with the rural constituencies with no TD's being stripped of its assets. !

Can you give me a long list of "advantages" for Dubs having Ministers in their constituencies?? I cannot think of one.

And the idea of a gombeen swanning about the constituency in a state car as being somebody the locals think is the man to ensure that the nasty stuff doesn't happen to them is frankly moronic and imbecelic. But it is a frankly moronic and imbecelic system we have and it is populated by a disturbingly large number of morons and imbeciles.
Hence the point blank refusal to try and improve it by adopting best practices from elsewhere and the bloody-minded determination to plough on with something many times proven as absolute crap.

[fluffybiscuits]

Can you give me a long list of "advantages" for Dubs having Ministers in their constituencies?? I cannot think of one.

And the idea of a gombeen swanning about the constituency in a state car as being somebody the locals think is the man to ensure that the nasty stuff doesn't happen to them is frankly moronic and imbecelic. But it is a frankly moronic and imbecelic system we have and it is populated by a disturbingly large number of morons and imbeciles.
Hence the point blank refusal to try and improve it by adopting best practices from elsewhere and the bloddy-minded determination to plough on with something many times proven as absolute crap.

I felt the heat off that there The whole country is apathetic to the situation we are in now and this is the biggest issue. The X factor generation refuse or are unable to think outside the box and have become this monocultural imbecilic populace . We all need to move together to fight the revolution (however it may come) to bring an end to this financial mess. The divisions like the one Im seeing here are what the government wants, a divided people cannot unit...

[Baron von Biffo]

You were bound to trip up eventually and now you have

ALL the public services???

Yeah. Right.

City dwellers have been subsidising the rural areas for generations. And frankly, they are sick of it.

Sometimes Slim, I think you're just trying a wind-up.