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    I think the Police Ombudsman's office has lost all credibility a long time ago. In this particular case the ombudsman was accused of performing ''factual gymnastics'' in his report.

    It has all the hallmarks of a NIO [Northern Ireland Office] tipex exercise.
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    Nuala O'Loan, former ombudsman, says that Hutchinson uses a completely different definition of "collusion".

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-16016063.html

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    This gang was also widely believed to have carried out the attack on the Widow Scallons at the time.
    will we have to wait till 2035 to read about Garda collusion and Govt cover ups, regarding that attack.
    This happened only months before the PIRA ceasefire. Part of the British strategy to terrorise the Catholic population into making them welcome a Provo climbdown.
    There was definately a wratcheting of of loyalist killings aimed mostly at uninvolved civilians.
    A mini version of their startegy in Dresden Cologne etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth.ie View Post
    This gang was also widely believed to have carried out the attack on the Widow Scallons at the time.
    will we have to wait till 2035 to read about Garda collusion and Govt cover ups, regarding that attack.
    This happened only months before the PIRA ceasefire. Part of the British strategy to terrorise the Catholic population into making them welcome a Provo climbdown.
    There was definately a wratcheting of of loyalist killings aimed mostly at uninvolved civilians.
    A mini version of their startegy in Dresden Cologne etc.
    Exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    I think the Police Ombudsman's office has lost all credibility a long time ago. In this particular case the ombudsman was accused of performing ''factual gymnastics'' in his report.

    It has all the hallmarks of a NIO [Northern Ireland Office] tipex exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cáthasaigh View Post
    How true.

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    The Irish Team in the Euro 2012 game -v- Italy will wear black armbands to remember those who died at Loughinisland - exactly 18 years to the day after it happened

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/t...re-551848.html

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    Yes, there was police and intelligence collusion "was a significant in the Loughlinsislad murders. The guns identified were used in over 70 murders.

    Dr Maguire said: "When viewed collectively, I have no hesitation in saying collusion was a significant feature of the Loughinisland murders,” he said.

    On protecting those informants involved in importing guns for the UVF, UDA and Ulster Resistance, Dr Maguire said: "Given the gravity of the conspiracy and the impact it had on the lives of numerous citizens, this decision has proven in my view to be indefensible.”
    <<<Read the full report here>>>

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    His 160 page report makes public for the first time some of the detailed information informants provided and how this led to the recovery of a substantial amount of the imported weapons. But it also questions how a significant number ended up in the hands of Loyalist terrorists.
    It reveals police informants at the most senior levels within Loyalist paramilitary organisations were involved in an importation of guns and ammunition into Northern Ireland in the mid to late 1980s.
    The report has identified that two of the weapons from this shipment were connected to the UVF attack on the Heights Bar in Loughinisland on 18 June 1994, to the murders of two men in separate attacks and to a series of other terrorist incidents.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-34785603.html

    The Police Ombudsman’s investigation looked at attempts by Loyalists to import weapons into Northern Ireland in 1985 and the role played by the UDA member and former Army agent, Brian Nelson.

    It has confirmed for the first time that a senior member of the UDA, who was also providing information to RUC Special Branch, played a central role in directing Nelson’s efforts, along with "security force oversight".

    It records that although these plans ran aground that year because of a lack of funding, Loyalists continued in their efforts, and police continued to receive information.
    The Police Ombudsman has established that some of those involved in the importation had been under surveillance.
    This was part of a wider operation directed by police and which also involved the army. It was run from Special Branch Headquarters and had been in place for several months. The operation received information from a "reliable and well placed source within the higher echelons of the UDA".
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    There is a lot of talk in reports about police and the "Special Branch". I've not read the Ombudsman's report as yet, but the Branch is effectively MI5, and police operations controlled in many cases by M15.

    M15 now has full control over Security operations in the North of Ireland and closely liaises with the GardaI. It also undoubtedly has agents and operatives in the Republic.
    Whilst the British security forces in Northern Ireland have provided support in the countering of both republican and loyalist paramilitary groups since the early 1970s, republican sources have often accused these forces of collusion with loyalists. In 2006, an Irish government committee inquiry found that there was widespread collusion between British security forces and loyalist terrorists in the 1970s, which resulted in eighteen deaths.[39][40] In 2012, a legal review by Sir Desmond de Silva QC into the 1989 murder of Belfast solicitor Patrick Finucane found that MI5, along with British Military intelligence and RUC Special Branch was found to have colluded in furthering and facilitating his death. MI5 had overall supervision of the intelligence gathering in Northern Ireland during the troubles, a secret MI5 document released revealed that in 1985, 85% of the UDA's intelligence was from security force sources. Prime Minister David Cameron accepted the findings and apologised on behalf of the British government and acknowledged significant levels of collusion with Loyalists in its state agencies.[41]
    The Security Service took responsibility for all security intelligence work in Northern Ireland from 2007 from the Police Service of Northern Ireland. Both Nuala O'Loan, the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland, and Al Hutchinson, the Oversight Commissioner of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, expressed reservations.[42]
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    How far up the chain was this operation approved ?

    One document was marked `NDD/Slow Waltz' (NDD = No Downward Dissemination and `Slow Waltz' = share in slower time, if at all).
    The report as with others on "collusion" does not seem to say much about why this was going on.

    A previous post on this page offers an explanation:

    Originally Posted by truth.ie

    This gang was also widely believed to have carried out the attack on the Widow Scallons at the time.
    will we have to wait till 2035 to read about Garda collusion and Govt cover ups, regarding that attack.
    This happened only months before the PIRA ceasefire. Part of the British strategy to terrorise the Catholic population into making them welcome a Provo climbdown.
    There was definately a wratcheting of of loyalist killings aimed mostly at uninvolved civilians.
    A mini version of their startegy in Dresden Cologne etc.

    The meme is that "senseless carnage" was the result of aspirations for a United Ireland and equal rights and that pretty well any old agreement would do, to make it stop.
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    Two journalists arrested today on suspicion of theft of papers/files from the police ombudsmans office in relation to this massacre. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45366850

    Quote..Two journalists have been arrested as part of an investigation into the suspected theft of confidential documents from the Police Ombudsman's Office (PONI).

    Trevor Birney and Barry McCaffrey produced the documentary "No Stone Unturned" about the murder of six men at Loughinisland.

    The documents relate to a police investigation into the 1994 murders. unquote.
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    This is causing something of a stir within the ranks of the NUJ. Not really what any government needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollandia View Post
    This is causing something of a stir within the ranks of the NUJ. Not really what any government needs.
    Just as you mention that, just hearing of a high court ruling forbidding police to examine the documents seized during todays arrests. Quetions over the validity of the search warrant. As far as i can tell, it was the police themselves who went to court for guidance. Keeping an eye on it, edit in details when i get them.


    Clarity.... Police have agreed not to examine documents seized until a Court rules on an issue regarding the validity of their search warrant.

    Aye right!
    Last edited by Trow; 31-08-2018 at 06:01 PM.
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    Recent reports on the above....
    Quote.. A search and arrest operation during an investigation into the suspected theft of confidential documents was an attempt to intimidate journalists, the High Court has heard.

    A film company behind a documentary into the Loughinisland shootings has brought a legal action against the PSNI. unquote.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45445629
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