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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The Gallup opinion research is intereting New Vision. The difference in vew between Democrats and Republicans is dramatic.

    Back in 2014 Pew Research attempted a more detailed political breakdown, although the fact that their groups are based on opinions of the people in the groups weakens the usefulness. But it does tend to confirm sharp political polarisation. The most conservative groups, who do not accept evidence of man made climate change, are the wealthy and powerful group, who are highly dependent on oil for their wealth and also perhaps the group most aware of the economic implications of ending oil dependence. Only the left groups had a majority that is convinced that man made climate change is taking place. And of course, scientists, who are not a distinct political group - but it would be interesting to see them broken down into the Pew typology.



    http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/...nt-and-energy/



    Gallup showed a high point in concern about climate change in 2008, followed by a drop - it is now climbing again. That looks as if the economic crash made people more environmentally conservative - but there could have been other reasons. Increase in spending on influencing the media by pro oil people ? The wars in the Middle East ?

    There is a massive divergence between the views of the general public and those of scientists.

    Searching for an issue to compare it with - smoking and health ?

    Doctors were the first to give up smoking, en bloc, because they had evidence in front of their eyes that smokers were dying prematurely, and also, more/earlier knowledge of the science of inhaled contaminants and disease.

    The general public lagged behind, perhaps more susceptible to advertising as they liked their cigarettes and did not have the counterbalance of a science educatio
    In principle you are right. There is a missing education gap.



    Thus, in 2013 The Consensus Project was founded.

    Also => 97% Global Warming Consensus Meets Resistance from Scientific Denialism

    A 2009 paper published in the European Journal of Public Health by Pascal Diethelm and Martin McKee discussed five characteristics common to scientific denialism:

    1) Cherry picking;
    2) Fake experts;
    3) Misrepresentation and logical fallacies.
    4) Impossible expectations of what research can deliver; and
    5) Conspiracy theories;


    What I disagree with you would be the term "environmentally conservative". Denying modern rapid global warming as a result of human activities has nothing to do with being "conservative". It's just plain ignorance and only serves the interests of a few.

    The U.S. Republican Party has long lost touch with the needs of the ordinary people. Last and best example is that they opened Pandora's box and left the candidacy for the President to a megalomaniac lunatic.



    None of the Republican candidates accepts the scientific consensus on climate change.

    It is also obvious that climate change denial is mainly a phenomenon occurring in Anglophone countries and Russia. It doesn't play a significant role in continental Europe and Africa or China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    It just beggars belief. I'm waiting for the day that the knowledgeable Sarah Palin is going to be used in the argument!
    Let's keep you entertained

    Here we are:



    => Look Out Climate Experts. Sara Palin Can see you From Her Window..
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    Quote Originally Posted by New Vision View Post
    Another "think tank" taken to court for organised climate change denial: The "Competitive Enterprise Institute"

    => Think Tank With Fossil-Fuel Ties Subpoenaed in AG’s Climate Inquiry

    The subpoena of the Competitive Enterprise Institute by the Virgin Islands AG represents a widening of the investigations into Exxon and other companies.
    In casting the issue as a matter of “free speech,” both McArdle and Reynolds ignored the real reason the attorneys general have launched investigations into Exxon and subpoenaed records from CEI.

    => World Waking Up. Climate Deniers Scream Foul
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    If the Paris agreement goes into effect before Obama leaves office, the next president would not be able to withdraw until 2019.

    => Obama’s Rapid Move to Join Paris Climate Agreement Could Tie Up the Next President
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    New Vision: I did not use the expression "environmentally conservative". Here you go, it is about politics. But I also think it would be worth comparing types of religious belief, agnosticism and atheism, with the Pew groups.
    It may be that being born again makes one impervious to scientific argument.

    Whoever made the graphic about the percentage of people who think climate scientists all are convinced there is man-made climate change does not get the point. Everyone has a brain and can think for themselves: people have to understand the theory and be shown the evidence themselves. If they are told to just believe, they will think they are being sold a religion.
    Back in 2014 Pew Research attempted a more detailed political breakdown, although the fact that their groups are based on opinions of the people in the groups weakens the usefulness. But it does tend to confirm sharp political polarisation. The most conservative groups, who do not accept evidence of man made climate change, are the wealthy and powerful group, who are highly dependent on oil for their wealth and also perhaps the group most aware of the economic implications of ending oil dependence.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    These people are communists.......



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    Quote Originally Posted by New Vision View Post
    In casting the issue as a matter of �free speech,� both McArdle and Reynolds ignored the real reason the attorneys general have launched investigations into Exxon and subpoenaed records from CEI.

    => World Waking Up. Climate Deniers Scream Foul
    Free speech is blasphemy in the Alarmist religion.....




    How the progressive left intends to use the courts to harass those who don?t agree with them on the climate | Watts Up With That?




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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    New Vision: I did not use the expression "environmentally conservative". Here you go, it is about politics. But I also think it would be worth comparing types of religious belief, agnosticism and atheism, with the Pew groups.
    It may be that being born again makes one impervious to scientific argument.

    Whoever made the graphic about the percentage of people who think climate scientists all are convinced there is man-made climate change does not get the point. Everyone has a brain and can think for themselves: people have to understand the theory and be shown the evidence themselves. If they are told to just believe, they will think they are being sold a religion.
    But Alarmism is a religion, anyone can see that.

















    Global Warming as Religion and not Science







    It is no coincidence that man-made global warming, or climate change, or whatever it's called this week, got very popular as an issue just as the Soviet Union fell. It is the top-down centralized government's last best hope of controlling the masses. And like other forms of socialist totalitarian worldviews, it is a religion as well.
    Articles: The Religion of Global Warming






    Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.
    Crichton: Environmentalism is a religion > Hawaii Free Press








    For some individuals and societies, the role of religion seems increasingly to be filled by environmentalism. It has become �the religion of choice for urban atheists,� according to Michael Crichton, the late science fiction writer (and climate change skeptic). In a widely quoted 2003 speech, Crichton outlined the ways that environmentalism �remaps� Judeo-Christian beliefs:

    There�s an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there�s a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe.
    Environmentalism as Religion - The New Atlantis










    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...vironmentalism







    Their ideas are the ideas of ideologues, not of scientists or climatologists. Data and sophisticated theories will never change their views. We have to accept that they have succeeded in establishing the religion of environmentalism as the official religion of Western society, as the religion which asks for a radical transformation of the whole Western civilization.

    Environmentalism: The Established Religion of Western Society? | Cornwall Alliance




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    Denying the developing world cheap electricity is a crime against humanity. Shame on the Global Warming cult for pushing it and shame on the rest of us for allowing it to happen in the first place.



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    The most debunked consensus in history......... gets debunked some more



    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/...ights-of-hand/
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    New Vision: I did not use the expression "environmentally conservative".
    Of course you did. Read your own comment again.

    Here you go, it is about politics. But I also think it would be worth comparing types of religious belief, agnosticism and atheism, with the Pew groups.
    It may be that being born again makes one impervious to scientific argument.

    Whoever made the graphic about the percentage of people who think climate scientists all are convinced there is man-made climate change does not get the point. Everyone has a brain and can think for themselves: people have to understand the theory and be shown the evidence themselves. If they are told to just believe, they will think they are being sold a religion.
    Below a new article by Joe Romm on this subject. He's pointing to a tactic the page tröll breeal and other deniers are well aware of for a long time: repeat, repeat and repeat...

    => Here’s What Science Has To Say About Convincing People To Do Something About Climate Change

    The best way to motivate people to support action to limit climate change is to … explain to them the dangers of not taking action, a new Nature Climate Change study finds. While that may not seem like a surprising result, it has only been recently that climate impacts and the immorality of inaction have been a key focus of top U.S. politicians.

    This research is consistent with a November study on how to improve climate communications using “Five ‘Best Practice’ Insights From Psychological Science.” In that study, leading U.S. experts on public opinion on climate change explain that “policymakers should … emphasize climate change as a present, local, and personal risk [and] frame policy solutions in terms of what can be gained from immediate action.”

    A third recent report, “The Francis Effect: How Pope Francis Changed the Conversation About Global Warming,” concluded that “Pope Francis changed the conversation about global warming.” In particular, public opinion research shows that “17 percent of Americans and 35 percent of Catholics say his position on global warming influenced their own views of the issue.”

    Pope Francis has measurably helped more Americans:

    • Realize global warming will harm people here and abroad
    • Become more concerned about global warming
    • See global warming as an issue of morality and social fairness.


    It is no coincidence then that public concern about climate change has jumped over the last 12 months, as we reported last month:


    CREDIT: Gallup

    No doubt the increasingly obvious reality of global warming played a role: 2015 was the hottest year on record by far, and this winter has been the hottest winter on record by far for both the United States and the globe. Gallup notes that “Sixty-three percent say they experienced an unusually warm winter, and the majority of this group ascribes the warm weather pattern to human-caused climate change.”

    But the increasing attention brought to bear on climate change impacts — and the role of carbon pollution by the Pope and the Paris climate summit also played a role.

    As important as the jump in concern about climate change is the even bigger jump in the number of Americans who understand that global warming is caused by manmade pollution.



    Note the phrasing of Gallup’s question “And from what you have heard or read.” Based on what they have heard or read, a record level of Americans understand the science correctly, with both Democrats and Independents showing “double-digit increases in the percentages attributing warmer temperatures to human activities.”

    So the message about climate change impacts and the immorality of inaction remains a core one that needs to be repeated over and over and over again. It goes along well with the message I discussed last week: “The overwhelming majority of climate scientists — over 97 percent — understand that humans are the primary cause of climate change.”

    For those who think these messages have been repeated enough, the social science literature, including the vast literature on advertising and marketing, could not be clearer that only repeated messages have any chance of sinking in and moving the needle, as I discuss in my book “Language Intelligence.” One of the book’s most popular quotes is from wordmeister Frank Luntz, arguably the GOP’s top messaging strategist:

    There’s a simple rule: You say it again, and you say it again, and you say it again, and you say it again, and you say it again, and then again and again and again and again, and about the time that you’re absolutely sick of saying it is about the time that your target audience has heard it for the first time.

    It should be pretty obvious that the public is not going to be concerned about an issue unless they keep hearing from trusted sources, such as opinion-leaders, why they should be concerned about an issue. That’s especially true in this case, where there is a massive fossil fuel funded effort to persuade the public not to believe the overwhelming majority of climate scientists who warn them humans are the cause and inaction is dangerous.

    Certainly it is important to take on the deniers and explain that climate action is super cheap (since it is) — especially compared to the alternative.

    But the core message must include a repetition of our basic understanding of climate science and the catastrophic risks created by inaction. The new Nature Climate Change study, “Simple reframing unlikely to boost public support for climate policy,” looks in particular at what happens if you stop talking about the “benefits of reducing climate change risks (the conventional justification)” and focus instead on other benefits, such as “Technological innovation, green jobs, community building and health benefits.”

    Their survey-driven research concluded, “As the added value of other justifications remains unclear at best and potentially nil, sticking to climate risk reduction as the dominant justification seems worthwhile.” Indeed, in a Washington Post op-ed, the authors note: “Reframing involves opportunity costs, in terms of time, money, political capital and public attention. As long as the benefits of simple reframing remain unclear, there is a risk that reframing actually detracts from the climate-risk-based justification.”

    If you want some up-to-date ideas on effective climate messaging — beyond what you get here at Climate Progress — I’d suggest the new study “Improving Public Engagement With Climate Change: Five ‘Best Practice’ Insights From Psychological Science” along with “A Guide for Engaging and Winning on Climate” and “The Debunking Handbook.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by breeal View Post
    The most debunked consensus in history......... gets debunked some more

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/...ights-of-hand/
    Sure. You can right on continue to "debunk" this:



    this:



    and even this:



    Of course do climate change deniers hate the scientific consensus on climate change, because it proves that they are nothing but science deniers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breeal View Post
    But Alarmism is a religion, anyone can see that.



    Only deniers make climate change a "religious" issue. Realists follow the science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by New Vision View Post


    Only deniers make climate change a "religious" issue. Realists follow the science.
    BTW, C. Flower, the video above proves again that climate change denial has nothing to do with being "environmentally conservative". Denial is denial => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism
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