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    Quote Originally Posted by dammit_im_mad View Post
    The american election system:

    the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right?
    Hey the same guy is working both puppets
    -bill hicks

    CB, you must be desperate to resort to trolling me in order to try to revive your pointless US personality politics thread. I felt kinda sorry for you so I posted to make the thread appear in the activity stream again without the post actually being from you again ;-)
    You would enhance your credibility sooner if you didn’t ignore the substantive question you were asked on the Science Research and Business thread and instead adopt hit and run tactics.

    You flatter yourself by suggesting I'm trolling you. It's that arrogance thing again. I’m not in the slightest worried about being the only poster on this thread.
    If you look at the post to view ratio for this thread, and also for the 2012 Prez thread you’ll find that they are substantially above the average for the portal page of PW. People here reward substantive posting with increased clicks.
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    "The lady doth protest too much methinks"
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    ;-)

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    2016 WATCH - RAND RAMPS UP -- Alexander Burns : "When Rand Paul touches down in Iowa Friday, it will be almost exactly three years to the day after his landslide 2010 Senate primary victory ... Now, as Paul weighs a 2016 presidential bid, a different kind of challenge confronts him: Can the plain-spoken former Bowling Green ophthalmologist build a campaign to back up his popular appeal? ... For now, the Rand Paul project is a high-wire act that works largely without a net. Paul's political action committee, RAND PAC, has ... hired a spokesman ... former Michele Bachmann aide Sergio Gor. While Paul has reached out to key figures in the GOP donor community, much of his fundraising still happens over the Internet ... [H]e'll court Silicon Valley moguls at multiple meet-and-greet events later this month in California ... [C]hief of staff Doug Stafford [said] the senator's skill as a mass messenger has meant that 'a lot of the things that have to be pushed and manufactured happen organically with Rand.' ...

    "Paul's advisers talk about a 2016 presidential run almost as a fait accompli , and his schedule in Iowa this weekend reflects the near-certainty of a national campaign. ... [I]t looks like a full-blown, pre-caucus campaign swing: coffee with the Iowa Federation of Republican women, the state GOP Lincoln Dinner, breakfast with Johnson County Republicans on Saturday. ... Paul is also slated to participate in an off-the-books 'Pastors and Pews' event with local Christian leaders on Friday - one of the deliberately low-profile meetings organized nationwide by media-shy evangelical activist David Lane. ... Stafford is transitioning out of his role as chief of staff and moving over to the PAC, as Gor comes on board to handle communications. Beyond that skeleton crew at the political committee, Paul continues to lean on a few familiar allies. They include Paul family stalwart Jesse Benton, who's currently managing Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's reelection, and John Tate, who managed Ron Paul's quixotic 2012 presidential effort. Republican consultant Trygve Olson, who also works with American Crossroads, and Kentucky-based strategist Dan Bayens also play key roles in the Paul operation.


    "Rand-watchers can already see the germs of a presidential team ... Benton has the resume of a presidential campaign manager and Stafford already functions as a senior strategist ... Paul ... has already made overtures to some of the big guns of the GOP financial world, ... meeting with figures such as former George W. Bush finance vice chairman Jack Oliver, the conservative billionaire Koch brothers and New York financier Paul Singer. ... [T]hat process will speed up later this month when Paul travels to California for a speech at the Reagan Library. He'll hold multiple meet-and-greet events with potential West Coast donors ... a move aimed in part at courting high-tech and venture capital moguls who may not regularly engage in politics." http://politi.co/149bcLA


    2016 WATCH - "Paul, Jindal visit early voting states," by Tom Beaumont in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and Steve Peoples in Manchester, N.H., with Ken Thomas:
    "Sen. Rand Paul opened his presidential exploration tour Friday with a splashy set of speaking engagements in Iowa designed to broaden his tea party brand into something more mainstream ... Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal became the first potential 2016 presidential candidate this year to visit New Hampshire, unofficially kicking off the state's presidential primary season roughly 2½ years before voting begins. ... In coming weeks, [Rand Paul] will reintroduce himself in early voting New Hampshire and South Carolina ... He's laid some of the groundwork for his case by speaking to black and Hispanic audiences and saying he opposes a federal ban on gay marriage. 'I think people are looking for something different. You might accuse me of being not exactly the traditional cookie-cutter Republican,' Paul told reporters ... More than 1,000 miles away, Jindal reiterated his call for the GOP to stop being 'the stupid party' ...


    "Jindal ... refused to endorse the bi-partisan immigration bill ... that includes a pathway to citizenship for immigrants in the country illegally. 'I haven't read the bill,' he said. ...
    "On Friday, Paul met with about 10 evangelical pastors ... and was to speak at the Iowa state party's annual Lincoln Day dinner. He was expected to meet with a Republican women's group at a Cedar Rapids-area home ... and speak at a county GOP breakfast ... After Iowa, Paul is slated to deliver the keynote address at a party banquet in New Hampshire. He'll cap May's busy travel schedule with a speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in California on May 31. Then it's back to Iowa next month to court more pastors. And on June 28, Paul attends a fundraiser for Republicans in South Carolina."
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    Some updates on the Republican side.

    President Trump?

    The Hill: Report: Donald Trump researching 2016 bid
    By Cameron Joseph
    Business mogul Donald Trump is considering a presidential bid in 2016 and has spent $1 million on political research, according to the New York Post.

    2016 WATCH - "GOP basic strategy for 2016 looks deeply unsettled," by Charles Babington : "House Republicans are rebelling against the key recommendation of a party-sanctioned post-mortem: embrace 'comprehensive immigration reform' or suffer crippling losses among Hispanic voters ... Widespread rejection of warnings from establishment Republicans goes beyond that, however. Many activists say the party simply needs to articulate its conservative principles more skillfully, without modifying any policies, even after losing the popular vote in five of the past six presidential elections. Despite Romney's poor showing among female voters, House Republicans this past week invited renewed Democratic taunts of a 'war against women' by passing the most restrictive abortion measure in years. Despite corporate fears of the economic damage that would result from a default on U.S. obligations, GOP lawmakers are threatening to block an increase in the government's borrowing limit later this year if President Barack Obama won't accept spending cuts he staunchly opposes. ...


    "Party activists appear far from agreed on even basic questions, such as whether to show a more conservative face to voters versus a moderate face, and whether to seek a libertarian-leaning, tea party-backed nominee as opposed to a more traditional Republican such as Romney. 'There are pretty vigorous debates going on within the party,' said Kevin Madden, a top Romney adviser. ... Romney ... won 26 percent of the Asian-American vote and 6 percent of the black vote. He did best among older white voters, a steadily declining share of the electorate. ... Tea party activists say Republican candidates should push conservative values even more forcefully. ... Some Democrats ask why they should save Republicans from questionable decisions such as blocking immigration changes." http://bit.ly/1aCprNw


    2016 WATCH - BYRON YORK, "Looking to 2016, Iowa GOP raves about Scott Walker": "When Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker visited Iowa recently to speak at a well-attended Republican dinner, only one national political reporter (NBC's Alex Moe) showed up. ... [But t]here's a Walker boom, or at least a boomlet, going on in the nation's first voting state. ... Talk to Iowa politicos who supported Mitt Romney last time around, and then talk to politicos who supported anybody but Romney, and ... [y]ou'll hear a lot of positive things from both groups. 'He's the guy to beat in Iowa as it stands right now,' says David Kochel, who ran Romney's 2012 campaign in the state. ...


    "Kochel, who is not working for any candidate at the moment, ran down the list of Walker's strengths. The Wisconsin governor is 'a full-spectrum conservative who's comfortable with and speaks the language of Iowa social conservatives.' His showdown with public-sector unions won him great admiration and a substantial fundraising base among Republicans. He's a favorite of Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad. And he has 'real Tea Party credibility.'" http://bit.ly/13dmIG6

    2016 WATCH -- "Huntsman Creating New PAC," by Byron Tau: "Former 2012 presidential candidate Jon Huntsman is forming a new PAC dedicated to helping elect like-minded Republican candidates across the country. Huntsman says he's undecided on his future plans and the 2016 race, but the new Red Rock PAC [referring to a Utah natural wonder, great for biking and climbing] will give him a perch from which to speak and travel - as well as give him access to a network of candidates, donors and potential future surrogates for any presidential candidacy. ... 'If [the issues] hit a wall, then you don't have a future. If they resonate with people, then naturally, you'll be talked about,' Huntsman said. ...


    "Huntsman - who has been working extensively with the nonpartisan group No Labels - said that he wants to back Republicans willing to work across the aisle ... Those Republicans, he said, can come in any variety: tea partiers, moderates or conservatives. ... Huntsman said his efforts are more about fostering compromise and collegiality - and less about moving the party to the center or backing the most 'electable' Republican. ... Two former 2012 campaign staffers, Steven Bogden and Mark McIntosh, will staff the PAC at first. McIntosh will serve as executive director, with Bogden as policy director. Joe Kildea, a Washington, D.C.-based consultant, will handle communications. Trevor Potter of Caplin & Drysdale will serve as general counsel."


    2016 WATCH - "Paul, Jindal visit early voting states," by Tom Beaumont in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and Steve Peoples in Manchester, N.H., with Ken Thomas: "Sen. Rand Paul opened his presidential exploration tour Friday with a splashy set of speaking engagements in Iowa designed to broaden his tea party brand into something more mainstream ... Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal became the first potential 2016 presidential candidate this year to visit New Hampshire, unofficially kicking off the state's presidential primary season roughly 2½ years before voting begins. ... In coming weeks, [Rand Paul] will reintroduce himself in early voting New Hampshire and South Carolina ... He's laid some of the groundwork for his case by speaking to black and Hispanic audiences and saying he opposes a federal ban on gay marriage. 'I think people are looking for something different. You might accuse me of being not exactly the traditional cookie-cutter Republican,' Paul told reporters ... More than 1,000 miles away, Jindal reiterated his call for the GOP to stop being 'the stupid party' ...



    "On Friday, Paul met with about 10 evangelical pastors ... and was to speak at the Iowa state party's annual Lincoln Day dinner. He was expected to meet with a Republican women's group at a Cedar Rapids-area home ... and speak at a county GOP breakfast ... After Iowa, Paul is slated to deliver the keynote address at a party banquet in New Hampshire. He'll cap May's busy travel schedule with a speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in California on May 31. Then it's back to Iowa next month to court more pastors. And on June 28, Paul attends a fundraiser for Republicans in South Carolina."

    2016 WATCH - RAND RAMPS UP -- Alexander Burns : "When Rand Paul touches down in Iowa Friday, it will be almost exactly three years to the day after his landslide 2010 Senate primary victory ... Now, as Paul weighs a 2016 presidential bid, a different kind of challenge confronts him: Can the plain-spoken former Bowling Green ophthalmologist build a campaign to back up his popular appeal? ... For now, the Rand Paul project is a high-wire act that works largely without a net. Paul's political action committee, RAND PAC, has ... hired a spokesman ... former Michele Bachmann aide Sergio Gor. While Paul has reached out to key figures in the GOP donor community, much of his fundraising still happens over the Internet ... [H]e'll court Silicon Valley moguls at multiple meet-and-greet events later this month in California ... [C]hief of staff Doug Stafford [said] the senator's skill as a mass messenger has meant that 'a lot of the things that have to be pushed and manufactured happen organically with Rand.' ...


    "Paul's advisers talk about a 2016 presidential run almost as a fait accompli , and his schedule in Iowa this weekend reflects the near-certainty of a national campaign. ... [I]t looks like a full-blown, pre-caucus campaign swing: coffee with the Iowa Federation of Republican women, the state GOP Lincoln Dinner, breakfast with Johnson County Republicans on Saturday. ... Paul is also slated to participate in an off-the-books 'Pastors and Pews' event with local Christian leaders on Friday - one of the deliberately low-profile meetings organized nationwide by media-shy evangelical activist David Lane. ... Stafford is transitioning out of his role as chief of staff and moving over to the PAC, as Gor comes on board to handle communications. Beyond that skeleton crew at the political committee, Paul continues to lean on a few familiar allies. They include Paul family stalwart Jesse Benton, who's currently managing Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's reelection, and John Tate, who managed Ron Paul's quixotic 2012 presidential effort. Republican consultant Trygve Olson, who also works with American Crossroads, and Kentucky-based strategist Dan Bayens also play key roles in the Paul operation.


    "Rand-watchers can already see the germs of a presidential team ... Benton has the resume of a presidential campaign manager and Stafford already functions as a senior strategist ... Paul ... has already made overtures to some of the big guns of the GOP financial world, ... meeting with figures such as former George W. Bush finance vice chairman Jack Oliver, the conservative billionaire Koch brothers and New York financier Paul Singer. ... [T]hat process will speed up later this month when Paul travels to California for a speech at the Reagan Library. He'll hold multiple meet-and-greet events with potential West Coast donors ... a move aimed in part at courting high-tech and venture capital moguls who may not regularly engage in politics." http://politi.co/149bcLA
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    Updates on the Democratic side.


    The Hill: Obama's '08 backers embrace Hillary Clinton in 2016
    By Molly K. Hooper
    Early supporters of Barack Obama in 2008 are embracing the prospects of a Hillary Clinton run in 2016. Several House Democrats who endorsed Obama over Clinton in the 2008 primary said that all signs point to widespread Democratic support for a second presidential bid for the former secretary of State.

    Beyond Hillaryland: Four key 2008 campaigners say no to 2016
    They still support Clinton, but Wolfson, Tanden, Penn and Solis Doyle have forged their own paths.
    ( by Jason Horowitz , The Washington Post)


    Nate Silver: Hillary Is the Strongest Non-Incumbent Ever
    The New York Times polling analyst predicted Clinton will need to get in the game by 2015 if she wants to win the Democratic primary, even with her unusual advantages.

    A majority of the country supports gay marriage. Will any 2016 Republican presidential candidate?

    Wednesday’s rulings by the Supreme Court on California’s Proposition 8 and the Defense of Marriage Act provide further proof of a reality most strategists have known for some time: Opposing the right of gay people to marry is, increasingly, a losing political proposition.

    For Democrats thinking of running for president in 2016, support of gay marriage is a sine qua non when it comes to having a realistic chance of winning the party’s nomination. (That shift is somewhat remarkable if you remember that neither Barack Obama nor Hillary Clinton supported gay marriage during the 2008 presidential campaign.)


    For Republicans eyeing the 2016 race, the calculus on where to come down on gay marriage is far more complicated — and therefore far more interesting for political junkies like us.
    On the one hand, the direction of public opinion is quite clearly moving in the direction of legalization of gay marriage — particularly among young people (including young Republicans).


    And yet, as the country as a whole has moved quickly to back gay marriage, Republicans — particularly those who identify themselves as “very conservative” — have moved far less, well, far, on the issue. In a Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll conducted last summer, 85 percent of “very conservative” Republicans said that gay marriage should be illegal.

    2016 WATCH - "Hillary Clinton's answer to the has-been charge," by Maggie Haberman: "Republicans in search of an attack line against Hillary Clinton have begun to cast her as a tired relic of the past - an implicit contrast to their own bench of up-and-comers like hip hop-listening Marco Rubio and libertarian-leaning Rand Paul. But Democrats are confident that giving voters the chance to make history by electing the first female president - by definition a forward-looking act - would trump any argument that Clinton is too 20th century and give her a 'change' mantra of her own. 'If Secretary Clinton runs, she'll be the nominee - the first female nominee of either party,' said Stephanie Cutter ... 'That breaks through the 'old' tagline that the Republican geniuses are cooking up because, if handled correctly, women of all ages will absolutely be inspired by that. I don't recommend that be the totality of her message or platform, but there's no way to hide that fact and it certainly shouldn't be discounted.' ...


    "In her last presidential run, Clinton generally avoided talking explicitly about her gender ... Yet now, even without being explicitly political in the five months since leaving the State Department, Clinton has been clear about her desire to see a female president 'in my lifetime.' ... And Clinton's early work at her family's foundation is focusing on women and children. ... GOP operatives are in the early stages of assessing what message would resonate." http://politi.co/15qpwBC
    CLINTON LEADING IN ANOTHER 2016 POLL. Hillary Clinton leads Republican Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida and Rand Paul of Kentucky in a potential 2016 matchup in Iowa, according to a recent Quinnipiac University poll, The Christian Science Monitor reports. Clinton would lead Rubio 48 to 37 versus 46 to 42 with Paul in the state. Both senators lead Vice President Joe Biden in a hypothetical matchup in the state, according to the poll. Paul recently visited Iowa, and carries the most independent support in the poll. Meanwhile, Republican businessman Donald Trump is researching another run, the New York Post reports. Read more



    CLICK DU JOUR: Historian Douglas Brinkley interview Vice President Biden for Rolling Stone : "My takeaway from my one-hour White House interview with Joe Biden is that he must be considering a presidential run. There will be too much Obama-era unfinished business - implementing the Affordable Care Act, fighting for climate-change initiatives, for example - for Biden to throw in the towel. His strengths as a candidate are his blue-collar persona, family values, lifetime support of labor unions and farmers, foreign-policy expertise and stouthearted belief that the Obama administration's record of accomplishment - from the economic recovery to the killing of Osama bin Laden - has been historic. With Air Force Two at his disposal and his two superbright sons, Hunter and Beau, probably working as his chief advisers, Biden can give Hillary Clinton a run for her money.


    "Although she will have an unquestioned advantage among women , it's not inconceivable to think that labor unions, environmentalists, African-Americans, LGBT voters and small-business owners will prefer the hypercaffeinated, hard-charging vice president. Like Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, a presumed Republican candidate, Biden has learned to turn the sound-bite culture on its head by speaking from the gut. Though he's been a major political player since the Nixon years, Biden has pulled off the trick of not seeming like politics-as-usual. It could be a mistake to underestimate his populist appeal. And it's hard to imagine that this highly ambitious man will choose not to pursue the office he's wanted all his life." http://rol.st/11pl9ro
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    Hopefully the Clinton wan will be knocked out in the early stages, I do not trust her judgement, and capabilities, she is very hard to listen to, maybe that is why Bill stays away for so long on his trips. Michele Obama would be a better choice. She will have learned a lot over her eight years, good personality, first class at public speaking, and very intelligent. My choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Tully View Post
    Hopefully the Clinton wan will be knocked out in the early stages, I do not trust her judgement, and capabilities, she is very hard to listen to, maybe that is why Bill stays away for so long on his trips. Michele Obama would be a better choice. She will have learned a lot over her eight years, good personality, first class at public speaking, and very intelligent. My choice.
    I agree with you on both Hillary and Michelle, but it ain't gonna happen. Michelle has long stated she has no interest in elective office, and it would be unprecedented to elect someone to the highest office, as their first experience of elective office, and doing it for a woman............there are limits........
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    Where is the the US?
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    I can't say US, I am not with you, I am drinking vodka on me own.
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    Its time for a year end. Update, we are well inside the 1,000 day mark to the Iowa Caucuses, less than 750 days most likely. Still the most discussed matter is Hillary, will she or won't she? Even though the Democrats want to be the party that first elects a woman, I hope she doesn't. Despite her many accomplishments, I just don't think she was a good candidate in 2008, (too imperious and self-righteous), as were her advisers, and don't think she'd be great in 2016 either. She's no Bill Clinton, but she remains the prohibitive favorite.

    On the other hand if Mass. Sen. Liz Warren runs, (unlikely in my view), I'll be ready with my "I'm With Warren" bumper sticker.

    Below are some recent pieces on developments and speculation on the Democratic side

    This is big news. If Hillary didn't run Cuomo was considered the likely Democratic frontrunner. But like his father before him, (Hamlet on the Hudson), he says he won't do it.

    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) says he is not running for president.

    Elizabeth Warren’s not running for president. That shouldn’t surprise anyone.
    The Massachusetts Democrat has shown no signs she is interested in a White House bid.

    How Elizabeth Warren is winning the Internet — and why it matters

    What about Warren?
    Can the senator from Massachusetts be Hillary Clinton’s worthy opponent?

    Why Elizabeth Warren should scare Hillary Clinton

    Elizabeth Warren is hitting the campaign trail.
    Chris Cillizza Clinton is the head candidate for Democrats. But Warren is the heart candidate.

    Wide-Open Race in 2016 Offers Ocean of Possibilities
    Speculation abounds over who will run for president. While Democrats want Clinton, the GOP list keeps growing.

    2016 WATCH - "Wall Street's nightmare: President Elizabeth Warren," by Ben White and Maggie Haberman : "[T]he fear is ... that a Warren candidacy, and even the threat of one, would push Clinton to the left in the primaries and revive arguments about breaking up the nation's largest banks, raising taxes on the wealthy and otherwise stoking populist anger that is likely to also play a big role in the Republican primaries. 'The nightmare scenario for banks is to hear these arguments from a candidate on the far left and on the far right,' said Jaret Seiberg, a financial services industry analyst at Guggenheim Partners. 'Suddenly you have Elizabeth Warren screaming about "too big to fail" on one side and Rand Paul screaming about it on the other side and then candidates in the middle are forced to weigh in.' ...

    "People close to Warren note that she signed
    a letter from female Democratic senators urging Clinton to run in 2016. And Warren associates, mindful of any appearance of creating the narrative of a Warren-for-president campaign, have corresponded with Clinton associates to stress that they didn't fuel the New Republic story by Noam Scheiber. Yet the stakes for Wall Street and corporate America of a Warren campaign ... are hard to overstate. She almost certainly would bring fresh scrutiny to Wall Street scandals ... She also would probably talk about other bread and butter issues that make large amounts of money for banks but outrage average citizens, including interest on student loans, credit card fees and ATM charges. And she would likely hammer away at the gap between executive pay and average wages and make the case for higher taxes on investment income enjoyed by the wealthiest slice of Americans.

    "The fear of a Warren candidacy is likely to drive even more Wall Street money to Clinton's potential campaign and attendant super PAC, Ready for Hillary, which will help [her] build up a massive war chest to beat back any possible challenge from the left. But the very creation of that war chest ... could also play directly into an argument by Warren, or another candidate on the left, that Clinton is beholden to Wall Street and not well-suited to address issues of wealth concentration and financial regulation. 'A Warren candidacy would bring a fresh level of scrutiny to both Hillary and Bill Clinton's relationships with Wall Street, and they will have to deal with that,' said a progressive Democrat sympathetic to Warren ...

    "Clinton insiders have taken note of the energy that Warren represents. They don't exhibit the same level of dismissiveness that once existed in her orbit around then-Sen. Barack Obama. But most familiar with Clinton's world interpreted it as Warren getting attention for issues without advancing the likelihood of a campaign. ... Clinton's world appears very aware that income inequality is an issue that matches the prevailing mood of the Democratic base - witness incoming New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, who was Hillary Clinton's 2000 campaign manager." http://goo.gl/cySpCw

    Noam Scheiber at The New Republic on Hillary Clinton's worst nightmare: Elizabeth Warren. In 2016, "the debate will be about the power of America’s wealthiest. And ... this disagreement will cut to the very core of the [Democratic] party: what it stands for and who it represents," Scheiber writes. One side is made up of Democrats who "are increasingly hostile to Wall Street and believe the government should rein it in." The other is "a group of Democratic elites associated with the Clinton era who, though they may have moved somewhat leftward in response to the recession — happily supporting economic stimulus and generous unemployment benefits — still fundamentally believe the economy functions best with a large, powerful, highly complex financial sector." New York City mayor-elect Bill de Blasio is an example of how the populist side is winning. And "all of this is deeply problematic for Hillary Clinton." If she "runs and retains her ties to Wall Street, Warren will be more likely to join the race, not less." Democracy for America communications director Neil Sroka tweets, "The definitive case for Warren 2016 ... A must read for anyone who cares about the future of the left." The Guardian's Tom McCarthy points out this line: "On what @SenWarren does to bank regulators: 'One winced hemorrhoidally as he searched for a place to fix his gaze.'" New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof tweets, "Interesting piece on Sen. Elizabeth Warren as reflecting the new soul of the Democratic Party."

    In 2016, it’s all about Hillary … and Elizabeth?
    Hillary Clinton is the prime mover. But Elizabeth Warren is no slouch herself.

    THINKING ABOUT 2016: O'MALLEY, BIDEN, SANTORUM. Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, a Democrat, hinted at his possible 2016 political aspirations at his last National Governors Association meeting Saturday, Politico reports. "By the end of this year, we're on course to have a body of work that lays the framework of the candidacy for 2016," he said. O'Malley pointed to the themes in recent speeches, including climate change and middle-class growth, around which he would build a potential 2016 campaign. Meanwhile, Talking Points Memo reports that Vice President Biden will visit New Hampshire later this month to fundraise for Gov. Maggie Hassan, a Democrat. And former Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said Sunday, in an interview with NBC's Meet the Press, that he was "open" to a 2016 presidential bid. Read more

    CLICK DU JOUR: The first 2016 cheat sheet, listing early-state travel, foreign travel, networking efforts and political baggage for four Ds and seven Rs --AP's Calvin Woodward, "2016 campaign checklist: Who's doing what ": "Here's a look at the hoops that people interested in the presidency must generally jump through to prepare for a campaign ... The main players: For the Democrats, Vice President Joe Biden, former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley; and for the Republicans, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal; Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker." http://bit.ly/129UDjQ
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    And on the Republican side.


    2016 WATCH - "The Cruz Threat: The senator steals a march on potential 2016 rivals," by Robert Costa, National Review Washington editor
    : "The early dynamics of the 2016 Republican presidential-primary contest were jolted on the morning of Friday, July 19, in a ballroom on the third floor of the Marriott hotel in downtown Des Moines. It was there, in front of coffee-sipping pastors, that Senator Ted Cruz of Texas wowed the kingmakers of the Iowa caucuses for the first time. Without notes and ignoring the podium, he roamed the carpeted dais for nearly an hour, quoting Scripture and musing about the Democrats and their occasional affinity for Satan. The reception was rapturous. Many ministers eagerly asked Cruz's advisers where they could sign up for a campaign that doesn't exist, while others encircled Cruz and laid their hands on him to pray. ... [T]he visceral response by Iowa preachers confirmed Cruz's ascent as a new, potentially disruptive force in the GOP's presidential-primary calculus.


    "Instead of the looming battle for tea-party support in Iowa and South Carolina featuring a group of middleweight contenders - vanilla governors, House members, and little-known senators - it appeared that a Cruz phenomenon could overwhelm them all. ... If Cruz continues his frenetic rise through the conservative ranks, he may be the biggest threat yet to the presidential hopes of [Rick] Santorum, Governor Rick Perry of Texas, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, Kentucky's Paul, and Wisconsin's [Scott] Walker and [Paul] Ryan - all of whom at one time or another have been conservative stars and been seen as having a path, however narrow, to the nomination from the party's right. ...


    "Rather than going on a hiring spree of Beltway heavies and signaling his expected intentions, he appears to have kept the inner circle from his 2012 Senate campaign mostly intact. Advisers Jason Johnson, John Drogin, Jordan Berry, and Chip Roy are the nucleus, and they're not looking to hire any major political hand, at least for the moment. ... Sources close to former Florida governor Jeb Bush, New Jersey governor Chris Christie, and Rubio tell me that they're still expecting the Cruz buzz to fizzle as new issues pop onto the Republican radar in the coming year." http://bit.ly/141pBMn

    Ron Fournier at National Journal on how Chris Christie's 2016 rollout borrows from the last three presidents. "Judging by his rhetoric after a landslide re-election Tuesday, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie hopes to package himself as the 'Perfect Candidate for Troubled Times,' version 4.0," Fournier writes. On the Sunday news shows, Christie offered familiar rhetoric: "Christie's pox-on-both-houses broadsides are sure to anger partisans while resonating with moderate voters who are sick of the status quo. Moderates also elect presidents," like Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Fournier admits, "staunch conservatives will try to stop [Christie], his shadowy background may not stand the glare of a national campaign, and his blunt style may not wear well on voters." But "In many ways, the New Jersey governor is the closest thing we've got to Clinton, Bush and Obama." Both Bob Cohn, editor of Atlantic Digital, and Jonathan Martin, New York Times national political correspondent, recommend the piece.


    2016 WATCH / GOP FUTURE -- "Clash of Texas political titans looms," by Katie Glueck : "Sen. Ted Cruz and Gov. Rick Perry are both angling to run for president. And the prospect of a clash between the two Texas-sized egos who represent different eras of the GOP - and who aren't openly rivals but haven't betrayed warm fuzzies for one another, either - has tongues wagging. ... Perry spoke in Iowa on Thursday night and has had his eye on another presidential bid since before Cruz got to the Senate. The governor is slated for South Carolina and Iowa again next month. Cruz has been visiting a slew of early states - Iowa last month, South Carolina last week - further stoking speculation. If the two ultimately take the plunge, their dynamic would highlight just how far to the right the Republican Party has moved over the past year. As staunchly conservative as Perry is, Cruz could make the longtime governor look like an old-guard member of the GOP's establishment wing, Texas observers say.

    "For activists furious over Obamacare and enthralled with Cruz's aggressive approach to taking on Democrats and even moderates of his own party, the freshman senator represents the best hope for the next generation of conservatism. 'What we do know is that what was once Rick Perry's party is now very clearly Ted Cruz's,' a Texas GOP operative said. ... Perry, who won't seek reelection next year, has ... been in the office for 13 years, making him the longest-serving governor in state history and a dominant figure in the Austin political apparatus. Cruz - elected to the Senate just last year - came to power with the help of an increasingly forceful and conservative grass roots that helped him defeat Perry's lieutenant governor, David Dewhurst, in the primary contest. ... Jim Henson [of the University of Texas], an Austin-based pollster and the director of the Texas Politics Project, said the contrast between Cruz and Perry could represent a generational divide." http://goo.gl/Vn5VX0


    Ranking GOP presidential contenders for 2016

    Chris Cillizza
    THE FIX | Chris Christie is clearly No. 1, but who’s next? Here are the top 10 candidates most likely to end up on the Republican ticket.




    2016 WATCH - "Christie-Next Steps: Chris Christie charging ahead in NJ and beyond," by AP's Steve Peoples in Trenton and Thomas Beaumont in Des Moines, with Angela Delli Santi : "Christie's advisers suggest he has a one-year window to stack up more accomplishments before lame-duck status -- and a prospective White House campaign -- interfere. On his to-do list: cut taxes and enact education changes that include school vouchers. Those are policy goals that his party's right flank probably would cheer. Christie also plans to continue courting Hispanics. He has expressed support for a New Jersey law that would grant in-state tuition for children of people living in the United States illegally. While that policy might alienate some conservatives, Christie is betting that he can maintain the popularity among minority voters that was a key to his re-election. ... By Thursday and Friday, Christie was meeting with legislative leaders and his Cabinet ahead of an upcoming lame-duck legislative session. ...


    "Christie's advisers say he probably will avoid overt actions associated with presidential politics in the short term, such as visits to early voting Iowa or New Hampshire. But later this month, he begins a one-year term as chairman of the Republican Governors Association. That job offers an opportunity to strengthen alliances with other governors and broaden his network of big-dollar donors beyond the New Jersey area." http://goo.gl/bJ67Ta


    There'll be free money gettin gev out.

    Trump would spend whatever it takes to win GOP nomination
    By Alexander Bolton
    Donald Trump, who pegs his net worth at $10 billion, said on Sunday that he would spend whatever it takes to win the GOP nomination if he decides to run for the White House in 2016

    2016 is well underway in Iowa. Just look at this weekend.


    2016 WATCH -- WSJ A1, above fold, "It Looks A Lot Like 2016 In Iowa," by Patrick O'Connor in Ames : Sen. Ted "Cruz ... on Saturday made his second trip to Iowa this summer. He and [Rick] Santorum ... addressed a forum of Iowa evangelicals here. They were joined by real-estate developer turned reality-television star Donald Trump. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, a fellow Republican, was in Des Moines a week earlier to attend an event organized by a prominent GOP donor in the state. Democrats looking to 2016 aren't advertising their intent as openly ... That said, Vice President Joe Biden caused a stir late Sunday when a representative confirmed he will speak next month at Democratic Sen. Tom Harkin's annual steak fry, a traditional platform for White House hopefuls. Meanwhile, Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, who had made overtures to the Iowa delegation during last year's Democratic National Convention, will be headlining a fundraiser for the North Iowa Democrats later this week ...


    "Obama's first major Iowa appearance didn't come until September 2006 at the Harkin steak fry ... [T]hese early courtship rituals aren't meant to lock in support but rather to signal interest in the race and start talks with the activists and officials whose support represents the scaffolding on which presidential campaigns are built. ... Cruz ... will be back in October to headline a fundraiser ... and will head to New Hampshire ... later this month. During his first trip to Iowa earlier this summer, the Texan addressed an influential group of pastors and met with other activists and operatives in the lobby of the Des Moines Marriott, a standard hotbed of political activity. ... Asked by reporters about his frequent trips to Iowa, ... Cruz joked that he traveled north because 'it's hot in Texas right now.'" http://on.wsj.com/11YBz7V

    The Hill: 2016 hopefuls flock to key states


    By Mario Trujillo
    The retail politicking for 2016 is off to a vigorous start. Leading contenders for the presidency in 2016 have already made or scheduled 30 trips to the early nominating states, according to an analysis by The Hill.

    The Hill: GOP tries to damage Hillary Clinton ahead of 2016 election

    By Alexander Bolton
    Republicans have begun trying to damage Hillary Clinton’s political image ahead of her expected 2016 White House bid.
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    2016 WATCH - "The Cruz Threat: The senator steals a march on potential 2016 rivals," by Robert Costa, National Review Washington editor [/B]: "The early dynamics of the 2016 Republican presidential-primary contest were jolted on the morning of Friday, July 19, in a ballroom on the third floor of the Marriott hotel in downtown Des Moines. It was there, in front of coffee-sipping pastors, that Senator Ted Cruz of Texas wowed the kingmakers of the Iowa caucuses for the first time. Without notes and ignoring the podium, he roamed the carpeted dais for nearly an hour, quoting Scripture and musing about the Democrats and their occasional affinity for Satan. The reception was rapturous. Many ministers eagerly asked Cruz's advisers where they could sign up for a campaign that doesn't exist, while others encircled Cruz and laid their hands on him to pray. ...
    LOL, I see the GOP have learned nothing at all and are probably going to be even more full of Crazy in the run-up to 2016. Makes for fine entertainment I suppose, as long as they don't actually win

    Been a big fan of Liz Warren for, must be a decade at least now, going back to her Harvard days. Unfortunately I think if she actually stood, and especially if it looked like she might actually have a chance of winning, they'd do a Kennedy on her. So she'll probably settle for energising the base and getting the real issues firmly on the agenda so that conservative candidates like Clinton can't just ignore them as usual.

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    Agree that Elizabeth Warren is by far the most interesting possible candidate to be mentioned and also agree she would be the most likely to suffer a contrived scandal or automobile accident. The one thing I can say for sure is that no anti-corporation candidate will be allowed anywhere near a Presidential campaign in the United States.

    In fact the main thought that occurs on contemplating US presidential politics is that it is all ersatz now and has been for a long time.

    I'd like to think Warren could make it and she has all the necessary ingredients except for the unfortunate fact that Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley won't tolerate such a candidacy. The US is locked into an endgame now and no change is likely until there is a full blown identity crisis in the state I suspect.
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    Unfortunately Captain, you're almost certainly right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Con O'Sullivan View Post
    Agree that Elizabeth Warren is by far the most interesting possible candidate to be mentioned and also agree she would be the most likely to suffer a contrived scandal or automobile accident. The one thing I can say for sure is that no anti-corporation candidate will be allowed anywhere near a Presidential campaign in the United States.

    In fact the main thought that occurs on contemplating US presidential politics is that it is all ersatz now and has been for a long time.

    I'd like to think Warren could make it and she has all the necessary ingredients except for the unfortunate fact that Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley won't tolerate such a candidacy. The US is locked into an endgame now and no change is likely until there is a full blown identity crisis in the state I suspect.
    Captain, you've been predicting the demise of the US, and its politics, since the day before you were born, and likely will still be muttering at it the day after you shuffle off.

    The plain fact of the matter however is that reverse is the case. There will more likely be a President in the UK, and the British Royals reinstalled in Dublin Castle before the US meets the fate you predict.


    After every US Prez election for at least the last 20 years, if not longer, both the Labour and Conservaitive parties in the UK have imported US political hired guns to act as consultants for the next UK election, and impart their pearls of wisdom. So, UK has been becoming more like the US, and will continue to do so, at a much faster rate than the US will suffer any decline. And the reason is simple, US is generally much more willing than Europe, to try, adopt, experiment, with new electoral practices because it's not hidebound by tradition, and therefore kicks up new and innovative people and practices at a much faster rate. All the European carping about US is at base just repressed jealousy, even if the carpers don't overtly realize it. Americans don't need to waste time complaining about European affairs.


    You say US Presidential politics is just all Ersatz, likely because all you saw on TV were a few clips of the of the party conventions where they drop thousands of balloons at the finale. What you probably didn't see, (perhaps because European broadcasters thought you weren't interested or smart enough to appreciate it) was any of these 20 mostly substantive televised debates over nine months that the Republicans held during the process to select their candidate in 2012. Both parties will have similar for 2016.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republi..._debates,_2012
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