Ireland; a colony once again

[Slim Buddha]

From 1800 to 1922, Ireland was not
a colony.
It was part of the United Kingdom.
The 'settlers' had largely arrived
well before these dates...........

The 'New Irish' of the Noughties
have, for the
most part, greatly
enriched our state..........

That is a highly debatable contention. What evidence do you base this on?

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

It is a given. A Shay Given.

[erigena]

That is a highly debatable contention. What evidence do you base this on?

I agree - he does not have evidence

The "famine"/genocide exemplified a situation that was COLONIAL nit that of union

Secondly, please please and Irish person to serve me a coffee in Dublin sometime soon?

[Richardbouvet]

Erigena, will the coffee be better because an Irish person served it to you? Doubt it somehow.

[erigena]

Erigena, will the coffee be better because an Irish person served it to you? Doubt it somehow.

Really - do we have to make a case that this country is first of all for us and then for others?

Particularly given that the globalization thing failed so badly?

[fluffybiscuits]

Really - do we have to make a case that this country is first of all for us and then for others?

Particularly given that the globalization thing failed so badly?

So I presume you dont want your Basque/Norman/Viking/Anglo/Celtic/North African genes then?...

Nationality, a simple concept for mostly simple men with no concept of their place in humanity...I despair sometimes...

[erigena]

So I presume you dont want your Basque/Norman/Viking/Anglo/Celtic/North African genes then?...

Nationality, a simple concept for mostly simple men with no concept of their place in humanity...I despair sometimes...

Well, most of us live lives of quiet desperation?

Particularly if you can't see the deliberate destruction of an ethnicity which of course is NOT a genetic concept?

[fluffybiscuits]

Well, most of us live lives of quiet desperation?

Particularly if you can't see the deliberate destruction of an ethnicity which of course is NOT a genetic concept?

Your culture as you know it is constantly evolving, this idea that you somehow have some sort of sacrosanct isolated Irish culture is an idea beyond ridiculous. The constant evolution of culture is a natural phenomenen with the world becoming more globalised its going to happen. Based on the concept of culture and attitude we would have to bar the internet and scrap outside influences. Dont let me stop you munching on soda bread reading books about the 800 years of English occupation while you tap your foot to the Chieftans or some other toor eye diddley eye outfit. From me sitting here our culture is changing and this is exciting. Seeing the evolution of the Hiberno English language, the incoming electronica influence on our music etc . Culture in Ireland is constantly evolving and always will do. If the only culture you want is a yeast infection somewhere under yer armpits be my guest...

[erigena]

Actually the "sacrosanct isolated Irish culture" was FF's ripping us off.

In particular they stole from Irish musicians - it's discussed at great length on this site - and justice had to be sought in the USA as FF aborted all the Gardai investigations;

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal...28656/68/0.pdf

Btw, never could stand the Chieftains - but here's a question

Can you name all the brilliant Ireland-based Polish and nigerian bands making such a an impact in this multicultural Ireland?

Can you name any making an impact anywhere?

Your culture as you know it is constantly evolving, this idea that you somehow have some sort of sacrosanct isolated Irish culture is an idea beyond ridiculous. The constant evolution of culture is a natural phenomenen with the world becoming more globalised its going to happen. Based on the concept of culture and attitude we would have to bar the internet and scrap outside influences. Dont let me stop you munching on soda bread reading books about the 800 years of English occupation while you tap your foot to the Chieftans or some other toor eye diddley eye outfit. From me sitting here our culture is changing and this is exciting. Seeing the evolution of the Hiberno English language, the incoming electronica influence on our music etc . Culture in Ireland is constantly evolving and always will do. If the only culture you want is a yeast infection somewhere under yer armpits be my guest...

[erigena]

The music;

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=4128

and


http://davemarsh.us/?p=951

FF in excelsis

Actually the "sacrosanct isolated Irish culture" was FF's ripping us off.

In particular they stole from Irish musicians - it's discussed at great length on this site - and justice had to be sought in the USA as FF aborted all the Gardai investigations;

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal...28656/68/0.pdf

Btw, never could stand the Chieftains - but here's a question

Can you name all the brilliant Ireland-based Polish and nigerian bands making such a an impact in this multicultural Ireland?

Can you name any making an impact anywhere?

[Apjp]

While petty extremism is to be avoided, there's no doubt that the fact that sovereignty is an 'extremist' notion these days gives a platform to the likes of Erigena who seem intent on blaming immigrants for a crisis caused by rich bankers and their political pals and media collaborators, not just in Ireland but all over the World. People like Erigena are to be pitied. They stay here their whole lives and blame everyone else for their problems just because a Nigerian talks loud on the phone on their bus or because their colleagues are Polish.

Mind you Fluffy I would not be too internationalist for fear of giving into a globalized world. Our right to determine our own national destiny is not something we should give up lightly, but there are of course much better ways to assert that right than blaming other oppressed people.

What would make you laugh is the fact that the Irish are in fact an emigrant people and idiots such as the author of this thread spout their racist nonsense which is not just small minded, but hypocritical. We are desperate for a Republican movement in this state. We don't need to be dragged back to the 17th century.

[fluffybiscuits]

The music;

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=4128

and


http://davemarsh.us/?p=951

FF in excelsis

A rant about Bono, what has that to do with the price of turnips?

While petty extremism is to be avoided, there's no doubt that the fact that sovereignty is an 'extremist' notion these days gives a platform to the likes of Erigena who seem intent on blaming immigrants for a crisis caused by rich bankers and their political pals and media collaborators, not just in Ireland but all over the World. People like Erigena are to be pitied. They stay here their whole lives and blame everyone else for their problems just because a Nigerian talks loud on the phone on their bus or because their colleagues are Polish.

Mind you Fluffy I would not be too internationalist for fear of giving into a globalized world. Our right to determine our own national destiny is not something we should give up lightly, but there are of course much better ways to assert that right than blaming other oppressed people.

What would make you laugh is the fact that the Irish are in fact an emigrant people and idiots such as the author of this thread spout their racist nonsense which is not just small minded, but hypocritical. We are desperate for a Republican movement in this state. We don't need to be dragged back to the 17th century.

I always favoured an international approach. My post on open borders is an example of my position but a globalised world with some self autonomy and smashed open borders would create the perfect world. All these notions of culture (what is Irish culture? gombeenism, messed up banks and GAA with a dash Bono). You are right we do have an onus to determine our self destiny but we should also just let humanity do it! A Republican movement here needs to reform and throw out some of the wizzened old faces that pollute it and give Mary Loo less air time and they may have some vote getters then ....

[erigena]

Actually, I have been an involuntary emigrant most of my adult life

If you read the book - or even these posts - you will see I am not in the slightest bit racist

What I insist is that the state's attack on irish ethnicity will NOT go unanswered

While petty extremism is to be avoided, there's no doubt that the fact that sovereignty is an 'extremist' notion these days gives a platform to the likes of Erigena who seem intent on blaming immigrants for a crisis caused by rich bankers and their political pals and media collaborators, not just in Ireland but all over the World. People like Erigena are to be pitied. They stay here their whole lives and blame everyone else for their problems just because a Nigerian talks loud on the phone on their bus or because their colleagues are Polish.

Mind you Fluffy I would not be too internationalist for fear of giving into a globalized world. Our right to determine our own national destiny is not something we should give up lightly, but there are of course much better ways to assert that right than blaming other oppressed people.

What would make you laugh is the fact that the Irish are in fact an emigrant people and idiots such as the author of this thread spout their racist nonsense which is not just small minded, but hypocritical. We are desperate for a Republican movement in this state. We don't need to be dragged back to the 17th century.

[erigena]

A rant about Bono, what has that to do with the price of turnips?


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actually it's the first ever expose of U2's business practices,a nd led to bannings from p.ie but in the USA we have the first amendment

[fluffybiscuits]

Actually, I have been an involuntary emigrant most of my adult life

If you read the book - or even these posts - you will see I am not in the slightest bit racist

What I insist is that the state's attack on irish ethnicity will NOT go unanswered

Right so without flogging your book answer me this...

How does the "irish ethnicity" using your turn of phrase go answered?


*Sits back with pop corn*...