Will the Dail career of Mick Wallace be truncated?

[Jolly Red Giant]

Tricky Mickey has turned on his erstwhile colleagues in the Technical Group. In a speech that seems to have trumped Ray Burke's 'line in the sand' effort the tax cheat declared - "“It is actually difficult to take lectures from people who never employed anyone in their life . . . and many of them who never did a day’s manual work,” he added. “It has been a bit nauseating.”"

He also lashed sheriffs for "“coming to look for their piece of meat". Thing is Mick, they're not coming for their piece of meat. They're coming for someone else's piece of meat. The piece of meat you owe but wont pay.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...320380745.html

1. Members of the Technical Group are not 'colleagues' - the Socialist Party has no more in common with most of the Technical Group than it does with FF.

2. Wallace didn't turn on the Technical Group - the focus of his attack was not FF or FG or LP or the Technical Group - it was the Socialist Party and PBP. You would think if he was attacking the Technical Group he would have excluded the Socialist Party and PBP given that Joe Higgins, Clare Daly and Joan Collins did not call on him to resign from the Technical Group. But that is exactly who he did attack and his attack was based on the fact that the Socialist Party and the PBP were the only people demanding that he actually pay every penny of the tax that he owes - the the Socialist Party and the PBP are the only people demanding that company law be changed so the likes of Wallace cannot hide his assets behind company law to avoid paying his tax debts. The reality is that Wallace has more in common with FF/FG/LP when it comes to dodging his tax responsibilities.

[Baron von Biffo]

He has a point too few politicians have any idea what a real job is like, or what its like to worry about children and bills. Do they even have a clue that the two, bills and children, are often in direct competition...

He's not the right one to deal with it though. His own background is not one of want or need its one of have and take. A typical TD in fact.

Politics is a real job. We mightn't have a great record at picking people to do it but it's important work.

For some tax cheat to say that only employers or manual labourers should be TDs is, to coin a phrase, nauseating.

[Baron von Biffo]

1. Members of the Technical Group are not 'colleagues' - the Socialist Party has no more in common with most of the Technical Group than it does with FF.

2. Wallace didn't turn on the Technical Group - the focus of his attack was not FF or FG or LP or the Technical Group - it was the Socialist Party and PBP. You would think if he was attacking the Technical Group he would have excluded the Socialist Party and PBP given that Joe Higgins, Clare Daly and Joan Collins did not call on him to resign from the Technical Group. But that is exactly who he did attack and his attack was based on the fact that the Socialist Party and the PBP were the only people demanding that he actually pay every penny of the tax that he owes - the the Socialist Party and the PBP are the only people demanding that company law be changed so the likes of Wallace cannot hide his assets behind company law to avoid paying his tax debts. The reality is that Wallace has more in common with FF/FG/LP when it comes to dodging his tax responsibilities.

Jolly, when I read your stuff I'm reminded of Tommy O'Brien, HBAP, Oggy and SPN who spun for FG, FF and the Greens on another site.

Your party can make mistakes. Its TDs can do wrong. You don't have to defend every single thing they do and attack everyone who doesn't hold them up as saints.

[toxic avenger]

Joe Higgins retaliates:

His remark that people from the Socialist Party “never employed anyone in their lives. Many of them never did a day’s manual work…” illustrates a class bias that says that those who “employ” are more virtuous than the rest of us. Other bosses, like Michael O’Leary, have come out with the same self-congratulatory spin. The reality of profit-hungry capitalism is completely different.

http://www.joehiggins.ie/2012/07/pre...e-in-the-dail/

He says Wallace's remarks 'reflect poorly' on him.

I don't know why anyone ever believed he was left-wing to begin with. As if he would have been if he had got out at the top with his money intact...

[Baron von Biffo]

A business director from Limerick got a 3 year sentence for making false VAT returns totalling €188k.

Mick Wallace was a director made false VAT returns around 10 times that and he got off with a little slap on the wrist.

The Limerick case was the way we should be dealing with these people. We need to end the soft option of Swindlers List and start locking them up.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0725/for...t-returns.html

[riposte]

< Mod CF>

Judicial Watch:
Judge you spoke a bit about juries. Some courts operate without juries, such as the district court, where the judge decides everything, but in a jury trial in the circuit court, it is the jury who must decide guilt or innocence. In a criminal case the defendant has the right to be assumed innocent until proven guilty. To what degree is it injurious to that right if the Judge were to repeatedly refer to the defendant as criminal before the jury had begun its deliberations? And , seeing as one cannot – no matter how much one believes it – call a judge biased, what remedies exist for this situation?.
Judge Moran:
That behaviour is improper and it’s inconceivable that any judge should do it. The accused persons prior convictions should not be raised.
JudicialWatch:
I’m taking about calling them criminal in relation to the charge before the court.
Judge Moran:
Oh, no that’s inconceivable. If there was a conviction, the court of criminal appeal would eat that judge alive.
JudicialWatch:
Well then, I suppose you were lucky that the case ended in a hung jury because I’ve seen you do that in Kilrush Circuit Court.
Judge Moran:
I doubt that very much.
JudicialWatch:
Yes, you called the defendant a criminal three times before the jury had begun their deliberations. It’s in the transcript if you care to check it.
Judge Moran:
I wouldn’t - I don’t recall that.
JudicialWatch:
You did it three times. I distinctly recall senior counsel jumping to his feet in agitated protest each time you did it.
It was the DPP v Mary Kelly.
Judge Moran:
I believe that case is now under appeal.
JudicialWatch:
Yes, the third trial ended in conviction, but the first trial, where you made those remarks ended in a hung jury. Check the transcripts if you like to read them.

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/6959...rint_page=true

[Sam Lord]

A business director from Limerick got a 3 year sentence for making false VAT returns totalling €188k.

Mick Wallace was a director made false VAT returns around 10 times that and he got off with a little slap on the wrist.

The Limerick case was the way we should be dealing with these people. We need to end the soft option of Swindlers List and start locking them up.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0725/for...t-returns.html

Hardly seems fair I have to say. If they are not going to prosecute everyone then they should prosecute no one. This guy should be released immediately.


I don't understand this:

The court heard he wilfully submitted incorrect VAT returns to Revenue on a series of dates between September 2005 and February 2007.

He did this by obtaining VAT from his suppliers and not crediting this to Revenue.

How does one obtain VAT from suppliers? Surely you pay suppliers and don't get money from them?

In Canada you pay the sales tax (HST) on business inputs to your suppliers etc. and deduct this from the sales tax you collect from customers and give the balance to Revenue at the end of the year.

[Baron von Biffo]

Hardly seems fair I have to say. If they are not going to prosecute everyone then they should prosecute no one. This guy should be released immediately.

First Begley, now Hartigan. Will we see you shoulder-to-shoulder with the fragrant Ms Gilheaney keeping a vigil outside the Joy for Junior Quinn next?

[Stanley 2]

The Wallace case on non-payment of Vat has to be revisited in the light of these 2 cases, it is becoming quite clear from 2 separate Judges that Wallace should be in the slammer.

Furthermore the ACC + other debtors should pursue his assets and recent property/business transfers and if necessary have attachments placed on them with the ultimate sanction of bankruptcy and the inevitable loss of his Dail Seat.

Wallace is seeking to tough it out, token offer of some salary towards Vat bill is laughable, it is all State money as will his prison bill be.

[Stanley 2]

By doing a deal/arrangement with the Rev, Wallace would seem to have dodged Court proceedings, in the light of what is happening and Wallace refusing to assist the Dail enquiry, the Rev should tear up his deal/agreement, he cant afford to pay up, Wallace is sidestepping, it is premeditated, Rev should wake up and blow him out of the water.

If Hartigan had done a deal and then not kept to it, he would not now be in the slammer.

Anyone know if the Rev have made any ruling on Bertie and his fictitious TCC's.which arose at Mahon..

[C. Flower]

By doing a deal/arrangement with the Rev, Wallace would seem to have dodged Court proceedings, in the light of what is happening and Wallace refusing to assist the Dail enquiry, the Rev should tear up his deal/agreement, he cant afford to pay up, Wallace is sidestepping, it is premeditated, Rev should wake up and blow him out of the water.

If Hartigan had done a deal and then not kept to it, he would not now be in the slammer.

Anyone know if the Rev have made any ruling on Bertie and his fictitious TCC's.which arose at Mahon..

TCCs ?

[TotalMayhem]

TCCs ?

Tax Clearance Certificates

[DCon]

3 years jail for VAT fraud, if one is not a TD


http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/lo...raud-1-4095133

[Baron von Biffo]

FG TD Tom Barry has made a complaint about Tricky Mickey to the ODCE.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...g-3190930.html

After Wallace lashed them for being wasters who never employed anyone, the ULA probably wont be so quick to bleat about this being a right-wing, neo-liberal, etc. etc. conspiracy against him this time.

[Stanley 2]

FG TD Tom Barry has made a complaint about Tricky Mickey to the ODCE.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...g-3190930.html

After Wallace lashed them for being wasters who never employed anyone, the ULA probably wont be so quick to bleat about this being a right-wing, neo-liberal, etc. etc. conspiracy against him this time.

Cannot understand why those orgs like ACC to whom he owes a total of 20m or more collectively, do not bring Wallace towards bankruptcy and blow apart the fallacy he has created of businesses in friends/relation's names.

Wallace is now playing the Lowry game of sidestepping