Will the Dail career of Mick Wallace be truncated?

[riposte]

You got some right, but you got some way wrong - Paul Gallagher is pretty cool guy - I certainly wouldn't relish seeing his earthly remains adorning our national park.

Ok musashi........I'll give Gallagher a reprieve ... and subsitute Kevin Cardiff..(the man they couldn't hang)

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...s-3002988.html

[Baron von Biffo]

The Members Interests Committee couldn't deal with the affair because Wallace refused to provide details of his dealings with the Revenue.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/w...ns-558718.html

Was his Dail statement as honest as his VAT declaration I wonder?

[Sidewinder]

The Members Interests Committee couldn't deal with the affair because Wallace refused to provide details of his dealings with the Revenue.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/w...ns-558718.html

Was his Dail statement as honest as his VAT declaration I wonder?

At this stage surely we need to be compelling every TD to publish all their financial dealings - all assets, loans, other liabilities, business arrangements and all dealings with Revenue - for the previous 6 or 7 years as soon as they are elected, to fully update that record every quarter, and to continue updating that record for 6 or 7 years after they leave the Dail.

Not just Ireland either BTW, "democracy" has been seriously corrupted all over the West. I'm thinking especially of a certain Mr Tony B. Liar who is back in the news this week, who has apparently trousered around £20m since leaving office in the island next door. Or the hundreds of millions being raised for the US Presidential election.

At this stage for politicians a presumption of innocence no longer cuts the mustard. We need to be starting with the presumption that politicians are naturally on the take. After all the whole essence of the ideas behind the whole theory of a constitutional democratic republic is a system of systemic checks and balances to pre-empt or minimise any corrupt or tyrannical agents within the system. This is no different.

[Baron von Biffo]

More than a month after the Wallace VAT scandal was made public, the Socialist Party has stirred itself to action :-

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...es-200950.html

Obviously they aren't attempting to move the spotlight off their own TDs expenses difficulties.

[Ephilant]

Not just Ireland either BTW, "democracy" has been seriously corrupted all over the West. I'm thinking especially of a certain Mr Tony B. Liar who is back in the news this week, who has apparently trousered around £20m since leaving office in the island next door. Or the hundreds of millions being raised for the US Presidential election.

At this stage for politicians a presumption of innocence no longer cuts the mustard. We need to be starting with the presumption that politicians are naturally on the take. After all the whole essence of the ideas behind the whole theory of a constitutional democratic republic is a system of systemic checks and balances to pre-empt or minimise any corrupt or tyrannical agents within the system. This is no different.

The art of the politician is to create confusion.
The tool of the politician is legislation.
The purpose of the politician is to use this tool to create an environment of confusion in which his masters, the faceless elite, can operate anonymously, without control or accountability, for the sole purpose of enriching themselves.
The intent of the politician is to receive disproportionate payment for creating that environment in which his elite masters can profit enormously from his art, while those conned into believing they will benefit from his art have their freedom, their dignity, their everything taken from them to pay for the elite's unsatisfiable greed.
The duty of the politician, imposed on him by his elite masters, is to maintain this system of exploitation through the effective use of the tool of legislation.
The politician's dream is to become part of the elite.
The reason for the politician's existence is the inability of the people to demand and implement a basic degree of honesty and morality.

Today's politician is yesterday's slave master. Today's financial institutions are yesterday's slave owners. Today's parliaments are yesterday's slave markets.Today's legislation is yesterday's slavers' whip.

[riposte]

The art of the politician is to create confusion.
The tool of the politician is legislation.
The purpose of the politician is to use this tool to create an environment of confusion in which his masters, the faceless elite, can operate anonymously, without control or accountability, for the sole purpose of enriching themselves.
The intent of the politician is to receive disproportionate payment for creating that environment in which his elite masters can profit enormously from his art, while those conned into believing they will benefit from his art have their freedom, their dignity, their everything taken from them to pay for the elite's unsatisfiable greed.
The duty of the politician, imposed on him by his elite masters, is to maintain this system of exploitation through the effective use of the tool of legislation.
The politician's dream is to become part of the elite.
The reason for the politician's existence is the inability of the people to demand and implement a basic degree of honesty and morality.

Today's politician is yesterday's slave master. Today's financial institutions are yesterday's slave owners. Today's parliaments are yesterday's slave markets.Today's legislation is yesterday's slavers' whip.

Yeah .... Ephilant , very good.... but I think it is summed up more succinctly in my signature.

[disability student]

The art of the politician is to create confusion.
The tool of the politician is legislation.
The purpose of the politician is to use this tool to create an environment of confusion in which his masters, the faceless elite, can operate anonymously, without control or accountability, for the sole purpose of enriching themselves.
The intent of the politician is to receive disproportionate payment for creating that environment in which his elite masters can profit enormously from his art, while those conned into believing they will benefit from his art have their freedom, their dignity, their everything taken from them to pay for the elite's unsatisfiable greed.
The duty of the politician, imposed on him by his elite masters, is to maintain this system of exploitation through the effective use of the tool of legislation.
The politician's dream is to become part of the elite.
The reason for the politician's existence is the inability of the people to demand and implement a basic degree of honesty and morality.

Today's politician is yesterday's slave master. Today's financial institutions are yesterday's slave owners. Today's parliaments are yesterday's slave markets.Today's legislation is yesterday's slavers' whip.

Well summed up Eliphant and it's very good to what really describes the characteristics of any govt politician today especially FF and Kenny now.

[Jolly Red Giant]

More than a month after the Wallace VAT scandal was made public, the Socialist Party has stirred itself to action :-

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...es-200950.html

Biffo makes another attempt at a swipe -

For your information the Socialist Party and their individual representatives have made numerous statements on Wallace's VAT issues since it hit the headlines - below are a couple that you can amuse yourself with -

http://www.socialistparty.net/commen...ax-controversy

http://socialistparty.net/comment/97...ebt-seriously-

Obviously they aren't attempting to move the spotlight off their own TDs expenses difficulties.

The Socialist Party does not have any difficulties with the expenses claimed by their public representatives. If the Socialist Party were attempting to move the spotlight away from this issue it wouldn't be organising a public meeting to discuss this issue and the role of the capitalist media in Dublin next week.

[Baron von Biffo]

Biffo makes another attempt at a swipe -

To which one might respond, Jolly takes another pot-shot at the messenger.

For your information the Socialist Party and their individual representatives have made numerous statements on Wallace's VAT issues since it hit the headlines - below are a couple that you can amuse yourself with -

http://www.socialistparty.net/commen...ax-controversy

http://socialistparty.net/comment/97...ebt-seriously-

The Socialist Party does not have any difficulties with the expenses claimed by their public representatives. If the Socialist Party were attempting to move the spotlight away from this issue it wouldn't be organising a public meeting to discuss this issue and the role of the capitalist media in Dublin next week.

Those articles are more about SP paranoia that the media are picking on you than Wallace's tax scandal.

BTW, have ye seen how The Phoenix is being very disrespectful?

[Jolly Red Giant]

Those articles are more about SP paranoia that the media are picking on you than Wallace's tax scandal.

Well you have either lost your reading glasses or you didn't pay attention in primary school when they were teaching people how to read.

ps - the cartoon is actually quite funny.

[Baron von Biffo]

Well you have either lost your reading glasses or you didn't pay attention in primary school when they were teaching people how to read.

I'm not going to get into word counts with you but I think any objective reading would agree with what I said.

ps - the cartoon is actually quite funny.

There's hope for you yet.

[Kev Bar]

I'm not going to get into word counts with you but I think any objective reading would agree with what I said.



There's hope for you yet.

Along side the views on the ring wing media, there is a very clear statement of their views on the Wallace affair.

[Baron von Biffo]

Along side the views on the ring wing media, there is a very clear statement of their views on the Wallace affair.

I did argue that they were mainly, rather than exclusively about their sensitivity to media comment.

[Jolly Red Giant]

I'm not going to get into word counts with you but I think any objective reading would agree with what I said.

Objective through your right-wing tinted glasses -

The statements are clear and unequivocal in their condemnation of Wallace's behaviour - the point they make about the media is that it is up to the electorate to decide who should represent them - not Denis O'Brien and Tony O'Reilly.

Anyway - apparently the Indo are printing a large-scale 'exposé' on the Socialist Party on Saturday. They have had journalists scurrying around Dublin for the past week trying to dig up dirt on the Socialist Party from left-wing activists (who have been politely telling them to *****-off) - I am sure they have found plenty of old hacks in the LP who will provide 'evidence' of the 'duplicity' of Joe Higgins.

It should keep you in topics for new threads for the next few weeks.

Of course the real purpose of this 'exposé' is an attempt to undermine the mass non-payment campaign against the household charge - just as the establishment begin the process of dragging ordinary working class people through the courts.

[C. Flower]

Objective through your right-wing tinted glasses -

The statements are clear and unequivocal in their condemnation of Wallace's behaviour - the point they make about the media is that it is up to the electorate to decide who should represent them - not Denis O'Brien and Tony O'Reilly.

Anyway - apparently the Indo are printing a large-scale 'exposé' on the Socialist Party on Saturday. They have had journalists scurrying around Dublin for the past week trying to dig up dirt on the Socialist Party from left-wing activists (who have been politely telling them to *****-off) - I am sure they have found plenty of old hacks in the LP who will provide 'evidence' of the 'duplicity' of Joe Higgins.

It should keep you in topics for new threads for the next few weeks.

Of course the real purpose of this 'exposé' is an attempt to undermine the mass non-payment campaign against the household charge - just as the establishment begin the process of dragging ordinary working class people through the courts.

They have been having a field day: much of it in my view in order to provide some sort of a veil over the massive amounts of graft and corruption in their own favoured parties.

How did the protest at the Daíl go today?