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    Well. On the one hand we have propaganda and tainted studies from the petroleum industry, on the other hand we have idependent scientists and researchers.

    No wonder that after a brief discussion as shown people tend to get a clue that fracking certainly is a dangerous undertaking with vast consequences for our ecosystems and drinking water supplies.

    There is indeed a need of more information going out to the public.
    Is the Natural Gas Industry Buying Academics?

    Last week the University of Texas provost announced he would reexamine a report by a UT professor that said fracking was safe for groundwater after the revelation that the professor pocketed hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Texas natural gas developer. It's the latest fusillade in the ongoing battle over the basic facts of fracking in America.

    Texans aren't the only ones having their fracking conversations shaped by industry-funded research. Ohioans got their first taste last week of the latest public-relations campaign by the energy policy wing of the US Chamber of Commerce. It's called "Shale Works for US," and it aims to spend millions on advertising and public events to sell Ohioans on the idea that fracking is a surefire way to yank the state out of recession.

    The campaign is loaded with rosy employment statistics, which can be traced to an April report authored by professors at three major Ohio universities and funded by, you guessed it, the natural gas industry. The report paints a bright future for fracking in Ohio as a job creator.

    One coauthor of the study, Robert Chase, is prominent enough within the state's natural gas universe that his case was recently taken up by the Ohio Ethics Commission, whose chairman called Chase "more than a passing participant in the operations of the Ohio oil and gas industry" and questioned his potential conflicts of interest. As landowners in natural-gas-rich states like Texas and Ohio struggle to decipher conflicting reports about the safety of fracking, Chase is a piece in what environmental and academic watchdogs call a growing puzzle of industry-funded fracking research with poor disclosure and dubious objectivity.

    "It's hard to find someone who's truly independent and doesn't have at least one iron in the fire," said Ohio oil and gas lease attorney Mark F. Okey. "It's a good ol' boys network and they like to take care of their own."

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    A public TV documentary. Fracking: Weighing the Risks. 56 minutes if the link works.


    http://video.mpt.tv/video/2229405982
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    A public TV documentary. Fracking: Weighing the Risks. 56 minutes if the link works.


    http://video.mpt.tv/video/2229405982
    Pauline Steinhorn, the producer of that TV show, is surely an honorable person and she's trying to give "both sides" a voice: the petroleum industry on the one hand side, independent scientists and concerned/impacted people on the other side. Anyhow, still worthwhile watching.

    But what really strikes me - and gives me the notion that Pauline Steinhorn might not have looked deeply enough into the matter - are two claims at the very beginning of that show:

    1. It's calling natural gas a "green" source of energy, even "energy greener than petroleum".

    2. It says that shale gas could help to "end American dependence on foreign oil".


    1. Any kind of fossil fuel cannot be called a "green" source of energy as their use is emitting greenhouse gases, mainly CO2, into the atmosphere which cause global warming (global climate change).

    We often hear the claim that shale gas would be a "clean" "bridge" fuel, but it is one of the big myths.

    There are several studies which show that shale gas can have a carbon footprint even worse than coal. The gas industry is admitting these "uncertainties" . Natural Gas Europe reports:

    An Uncertain Future for UK Shale?

    In the UK, where the government is increasingly focused on carbon and greenhouse gas targets, the future of shale gas is still up in the air in regards to energy policy, Professor Paul Ekins says.

    Ekins, who is Professor of Energy and Environment Policy at the UCL Energy Institute, says that despite research into the matter, a number of uncertainties of shale gas’s effect persist.

    There are, he says, two major sticking points on shale which have to be answered: the emissions resulting from shale production and the viability of carbon capture and storage (CCS).

    “With regard to the low carbon transition, which we’re permitted to make, will shale gas substitute for coal, nuclear or renewables?” he asked the audience at the recent SMI Shale Environmental Summit .

    “If it substitutes for coal, obviously emissions will go down. If it substitutes for nuclear or renewables, obviously emissions will go up. “

    This, he says, is not the only concern with the potential emissions from shale; problematically, if some studies are proved correct, the fugitive emissions (emissions which escape from fuel production unintentionally) from shale might be higher than targets allow.

    “This is a major uncertainty,” he says. “And the important point is, how high are these things called fugitive emissions? Shale gas is a very dispersed resource underground and there are fears and some studies which suggest that in trying to get it out, we won’t capture all of it, but quite a lot of it will just find its way into the atmosphere through the fissures in the rock and won’t therefore be captured.

    “Natural gas is a far more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide so if in seeking to get gas out to substitute for coal, we actually put a lot of extra gas in the atmosphere that wouldn’t otherwise be going into the atmosphere, then the carbon benefits or the greenhouse gas benefits over coal might be seriously undermined.”

    The negation of shale’s benefits over coal has to do with a study that says a minor amount of emissions could escape during fracking and production. Even though the figure is a small one, it will have an impact, Professor Ekins says, one that could be just as damaging for energy targets as coal.

    “There have been some studies on this, which suggest that fugitive emissions might be as much as four per cent of what you actually capture when you do fracking. And you only need three to nine per cent of leakage, depending on various assumptions, for gas to be equivalent to coal in power stations.

    “So unless you can be very sure that you’re not getting these fugitive emissions, then the carbon benefits of gas in generation are very difficult to see.”

    The shocking truth is: Despite being a climate gas 20 to 80 times worse than CO2, Methane (CH4) emissions are NOT regulated - worldwide! We are trying to get CO2 emissions regulated, but there are no limits for CH4, not even in drinking water regulations. There is an urgent need for action! This problem is addressed in the European Commission, DG Environment, National Emission, Ceilings Directive, Review.

    More infos:

    Presentation in hearing on
    “Prospects for Shale Gas in the European Union”
    Committee on Industry, Research and Energy
    European Parliament
    (Robert Howarth, Ph.D., David R. Atkinson Professor of Ecology & Environmental Biology, Cornell University)

    Shale gas extraction linked to water contamination (DG Environment News Alert Service, European Commission)

    Methane contamination of drinking water accompanying gas-well drilling and hydraulic fracturing (Study by Stephen G. Osborn, Avner Vengosh, Nathaniel R. Warner, and Robert B. Jackson)

    Therefore, calling shale gas a "green" fuel is quite a big faux pas and should not happen in a serious documentary.


    2. We can often hear now the petroleum industry claiming to make the US independent from foreign oil imports by extracting shale gas ("fracking"). This announcement and the vast exaggerations of shale gas reserves have caused an unsustainable fall in price for natural gas in the US. Shale gas production costs a multiple of the current selling price. This doesn't make gas a "bridging" fuel, it makes it a delaying fuel, delaying investment in renewable energy sources.

    Also => Greenhouse gases, climate change and the transition from coal to low-carbon electricity



    Natural gas is not an effective "bridge fuel" to a carbon-free future. Only rapid deployment of low-emission technologies will achieve substantial climate benefits.


    In Europe several companies are already pulling out of the shale gas business. Even in Poland where the biggest reserves in Europe are estimated.

    Further on we can expect that shale gas will NOT cause the US become independent from foreign fossil fuel imports. The only sustainable way to achieve that goal are renewable energy sources (not mentioned in this TV show).


    We also can see the different situation in Europe compare to the US where the petroleum industry is exempted from the Safe Drinking Water Act ("Halliburton loophole").

    Here in Ireland we're facing the company Tamboran that claims the country would have almost the same shale gas reserves as the Barnett Shale in Texas.





    A 40-fold exaggeration at least!

    But Tamboran also claims to extract all that gas without the use of any chemicals, a procedure never done before!

    It's really striking that such a company is still getting the trust of our government. But it is also demonstrating us the trustworthiness of this industry as such which got an equal time to express their stance in Pauline Steinhorn's documentary.
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    Green groups call for halt to fracking (The Irish Times - Tuesday, August 7, 2012)

    A COALITION of 27 environmental groups has called on the Government to “put a stop to all fracking activity” in Ireland because its “known impacts are so serious”.

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    “Many of these impacts are not only local but can be felt regionally and even globally. Without a comprehensive scientific assessment of the impacts of fracking in Ireland and across Europe, an unconventional gas boom would be an enormous experiment on the environment and human health.”

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    Membership of the Environmental Pillar, which was set up in 2009, includes An Taisce, Birdwatch Ireland, Feasta, Friends of the Earth Ireland, the Irish Doctors’ Environmental Association, the Irish Peatland Conservation Council, the Irish Wildlife Trust, the Organic Centre, Sonairte and Voice.
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    Researchers Find Substantial Water Pollution Risks From "Fracking" To Recover Natural Gas

    General University News, 6 August 2012

    Study recommends consideration of additional regulations to protect drinking water and encourages future research efforts into disposal of wastewater from hydraulic fracturing

    Stony Brook University scientists have found that the disposal of contaminated wastewater from hydraulic fracturing – commonly known as “fracking” – wells producing natural gas in the Marcellus Shale region poses substantial potential risks of river and other water pollution that suggests additional regulation to reduce the potential of drinking water contamination.

    In a paper titled “Water Pollution Risk Associated with Natural Gas Extraction from the Marcellus Shale,” which appears in the August 2012 issue of the journal Risk Analysis, published by the Society for Risk Analysis, Stony Brook doctoral student Daniel Rozell, P.E., and Sheldon Reaven, Ph.D., a professor in the Department of Technology and Society and the School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences, found that “Even in a best case scenario, an individual well would potentially release at least 200 m3 of contaminated fluids.”
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    'Fracking' War: Lobbyists in the Vanguard.

    By Jim O'Sullivan for Sligo Today - 10 August 2012

    If we are to have any chance of stopping large areas here being despoiled by “fracking”, we must learn how the battle in the US is being fought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by New Vision View Post
    Green groups call for halt to fracking (The Irish Times - Tuesday, August 7, 2012)
    A COALITION of 27 environmental groups has called on the Government to “put a stop to all fracking activity” in Ireland because its “known impacts are so serious”.

    ...

    “Many of these impacts are not only local but can be felt regionally and even globally. Without a comprehensive scientific assessment of the impacts of fracking in Ireland and across Europe, an unconventional gas boom would be an enormous experiment on the environment and human health.”

    ...

    Membership of the Environmental Pillar, which was set up in 2009, includes An Taisce, Birdwatch Ireland, Feasta, Friends of the Earth Ireland, the Irish Doctors’ Environmental Association, the Irish Peatland Conservation Council, the Irish Wildlife Trust, the Organic Centre, Sonairte and Voice.

    The biggest danger to this campaign is that so much is going on to stress peoples' lives that they don't have the time or energy left for this.

    The campaign needs to find a way to tie in to wider political issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The biggest danger to this campaign is that so much is going on to stress peoples' lives that they don't have the time or energy left for this.

    The campaign needs to find a way to tie in to wider political issues.
    Sure. But it's also essential that people get the right information about shale gas hydrofracking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by New Vision View Post
    'Fracking' War: Lobbyists in the Vanguard.

    By Jim O'Sullivan for Sligo Today - 10 August 2012

    If we are to have any chance of stopping large areas here being despoiled by “fracking”, we must learn how the battle in the US is being fought.
    More "neutral" approach:

    The fact that a Democratic President would invite Republicans onto such a task-force was of itself enough to raise concerns that Obama was looking to muddy the waters and take a “neutral” stance on the issue thereby allowing existing laws stand which would by and large benefit the oil companies. This unease regarding where Obama stands on the issue is compounded when the fact that he accepted a campaign donation of €1 million from the oil and gas industry in 2008 is factored in.
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    More "neutral" approach:

    The fact that a Democratic President would invite Republicans onto such a task-force was of itself enough to raise concerns that Obama was looking to muddy the waters and take a “neutral” stance on the issue thereby allowing existing laws stand which would by and large benefit the oil companies. This unease regarding where Obama stands on the issue is compounded when the fact that he accepted a campaign donation of €1 million from the oil and gas industry in 2008 is factored in.
    Why did minister Pat Rabbitte order an EIA from Aberdeen University which is directly connected to the oil and gas industry?

    And this desktop study is citing tainted papers directly sponsored by the industry.
    => https://sites.google.com/site/fracki...ves_Their_Case
    => https://sites.google.com/site/fracki...ying_Academics

    Meanwhile, the government of the German state, North Rhine-Westphalia, has put a moratorium on fracking. The final decision whether they will give a go-ahead or introduce a ban will be made after the arrival of an environmental impact assessment which is expected for this autumn.

    The minister for environment of North Rhine-Westphalia stated in public that the applicants who want to carry out this EIA have to sign an affirmation that they are not working for the petroleum industry. (http://www.ardmediathek.de/wdr-ferns...mentId=8600720)

    Why can Pat Rabbitte not demand the same assertion from the institutes he is hiring?

    Why does this minister not even bother to answer an open letter sent to him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by New Vision View Post
    Why did minister Pat Rabbitte order an EIA from Aberdeen University which is directly connected to the oil and gas industry?

    And this desktop study is citing tainted papers directly sponsored by the industry.
    => https://sites.google.com/site/fracki...ves_Their_Case
    => https://sites.google.com/site/fracki...ying_Academics

    Meanwhile, the government of the German state, North Rhine-Westphalia, has put a moratorium on fracking. The final decision whether they will give a go-ahead or introduce a ban will be made after the arrival of an environmental impact assessment which is expected for this autumn.

    The minister for environment of North Rhine-Westphalia stated in public that the applicants who want to carry out this EIA have to sign an affirmation that they are not working for the petroleum industry. (http://www.ardmediathek.de/wdr-ferns...mentId=8600720)

    Why can Pat Rabbitte not demand the same assertion from the institutes he is hiring?

    Why does this minister not even bother to answer an open letter sent to him?
    Hi NewVision

    I e mailed them before on this, give me a day or two when Im at home and I will dig out the response I got

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...ing#post200396



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    Hi NewVision

    I e mailed them before on this, give me a day or two when Im at home and I will dig out the response I got

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...ing#post200396



    Keep up the good work
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    Louisiana sinkhole remains unexplained by Texas brine company

    Officials at a Houston-based brine company said Friday it will be at least 40 days before they get definitive answers about an enormous Louisiana sinkhole that opened up in Assumption Parish.

    Mark Cartwright, president of United Brine Services, a subsidiary of Texas Brine Co., said the company spent the last week "intensely focused" on an emergency response as they try to figure out the cause behind a sinkhole near Bayou Corne.

    (See a YouTube video on the sinkhole below.)

    Cartwright said they'll be drilling a relief well to investigate a brine cavern they own, which is housed within the Napoleonville salt dome. It will take at least 40 days to drill the well, and scientists have speculated that the 372-foot-wide and 422-foot-deep sinkhole might be related to structural problems within the cavern, he said.

    "Our efforts are going to be more focused on diagnostics, and looking into what caused this event," Cartwright said at a press conference in Gonzales.

    Commissioner of Conservation Jim Welsh ordered the company Thursday to drill a well and investigate the salt cavern and "further evaluate potential causes of the subsidence near its well site," as well as obtain samples of cavern content.

    Cartwright said the company was just as shocked as anyone else when the sinkhole erupted last Friday, swallowing up an acre of bald cypress trees and leaving diesel fumes and slurry water in its wake.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBc5aZeYFKg"]Louisiana Sinkhole Grows Overnight; Authorities Monitor for Radiation - Aug. 9, 2012 - YouTube[/ame]
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    This was the e mail I sent before..
    Dear Mr Rabbitte,

    I would like to raise the issue with you of the feasbility study done or being done by the University of Aberdeen into fracking. From a bit of reading up it would appear the the University of Aberdeen would not be the most impartial of people to let carry out a feasability study. Below are two links which show Aberdeen do receive support in a way from Shell .

    http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~wox004/release.php?id=757

    http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~wox004/release.php?id=410

    To me it would appear that there is a clear conflict of interest here.
    I would appreciate your comments on the issue in relation to the following

    -Were such issues known before hand in relation to the potential impartiality of the University of Aberdeen?
    -What criteria decided that the University of Aberdeen was the most suited for the job?
    -Are you aware of the dangers of fracking?

    Your comments would be appreciated.
    I got a response that it was forwarded on to another government department and I cant for the life of me find a response. Did the EPA get anyone else impartial to go ahead and look into the effect of fracking?
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    Meanwhile, Shale Gas Exploitation in Romania can be Postponed at Least Another Two Years (Natural Gas Europe)

    Romania's Minister of Environment and Forests has said that shale gas exploitation is evidence of irresponsibility to the natural reserves of Romania.

    In an interview with Agerpres, Rovana Plumb was critical of past governments for their pro-shale gas position.

    Shale gas exploitation in Romania has been on hold since May, when the new government led by Prime Minister Ponta introduced a moratorium on development. The moratorium, part of the program of the center – left Cabinet, proposed:

    "immediate establishment of a moratorium on shale gas operation to complete studies that are ongoing at European level on the environmental impacts of hydraulic fractionation process."

    Moratorium on the exploitation of shale gas extraction means the cessation of any activity or licensing of shale gas exploitation, the controversial process of hydraulic fracturing.
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