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One would think that Germany had very tight regulations concerning the environment, but...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGtqn1eUDRI"]ARD - Munich - Fracking German Report - concerned residents, contaminated lands (English Sub) - YouTube[/ame]
Very unsettled this technology indeed.
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irQYtqC8znY"]Eddie Mitchell talk on Potential Extraction of Unconventional Gas in the Northwest of Ireland .f4v - YouTube[/ame]
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Re: Fracking and the Environment: Exploration licenses granted to search for shale gas in Lough Allen area
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6SeJM7sDnw"]Rob Doyle Response to Aberdeen Report- Part 1.f4v - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG4dLax8MvE"]Rob Doyle Response to Aberdeen Report - part 2.f4v - YouTube[/ame]
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Re: Fracking and the Environment: Exploration licenses granted to search for shale gas in Lough Allen area
Economic Impacts of Natural Gas Drilling
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsnRw3kXs78"]Economic Impacts of Natural Gas Drilling - YouTube[/ame]
More at Shaleshock Media
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This is a Presentation by Dr. Anthony Ingraffea took place at the Clinton Central School Auditorium in Clinton, New York on November 28th 2011. Dr. Ingraffea is an internationally recognized expert in the field of Unconventional Extraction of Shale-Gas. He is the Dwight C. Baum Professor of Engineering and the Weiss Presidential Teaching Fellow at Cornell. Since 1974, he has conducted R&D in various aspects of oil and gas drilling, cementing, pipeline engineering and rock fracture mechanics.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUaR4rE2PIA"]Ingraffea Lecture on Hydrofracking 11 28 2011 - YouTube[/ame]
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Insurer: No shale gas coverage
Times Union, 13 July 2012
Nationwide says policies exclude hydrofracking
ALBANY — One of the nation's largest insurance companies has decided it is too risky to provide coverage on land, property or equipment involved in natural gas hydrofracking.
Nationwide Mutual Insurance Co. released a statement Thursday that said none of its personal or commercial insurance policies were "designed to provide coverage for any fracking-related risks. ... We do not have a comfort level with the unique risks associated with the fracking process to provide coverage at a reasonable price."
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"First mortgage companies decided not to offer mortgages to people who had fracking leases. Now it's insurance companies," said Dan Cantor, executive director of the Working Families Party, on behalf of New Yorkers Against Fracking, a coalition of environmental and community groups that don't want the state to approve drilling.
Sue Rapp, co-founder of Vestal Residents for Safe Energy, a Southern Tier anti-fracking group, said it was "terrifying that insurance companies have decided that fracking is too dangerous to insure, while our government is poised to let it go forward. Clearly insurance companies assume the risk of accidents is great enough that they will lose money, which means that our lives and livelihoods are in danger."
"Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we cannot eat money."
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Re: Fracking and the Environment: Exploration licenses granted to search for shale gas in Lough Allen area
David Letterman On Fracking: 'We're Screwed'
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F083Y6DnEzM"]David Letterman On Fracking: 'We're Screwed' - YouTube[/ame]
"From now on... vodka."
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soE7junRaPA"]World-Renowned Scientist Dr. Theo Colborn on the Health Effects of Water Contamination from Fracking - YouTube[/ame]
From Democracy Now, April 14, 2010
World-Renowned Scientist Dr. Theo Colborn on the Health Effects of Water Contamination from Fracking
The Environmental Protection Agency has begun a review of how the drilling process known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," can affect drinking water quality. We speak to Dr. Theo Colborn, the president of the Endocrine Disruption Exchange and one of the foremost experts on the health and environmental effects of the toxic chemicals used in fracking.
Nothing has changed so far.
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Whistle-blowing Truck Driver Exposes Law-Flouting Fracking Companies
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKtI0gevFCU"]WhistleblowerTruck Driver - YouTube[/ame]
" I am a truck driver. I drove their water tankers. I am going to leave the names of these companies out of it. But I tell you right now, as the low man on the totem pole you are going to be right in the middle of it. It’s a sick industry.
Now, these drivers will not get up and stand up for their wages because their wages are better, they get $15 or $20 an hour; they think they are in high cotton. But just the same, anything I had to say, when they told me go clean a frac truck out, I said under OSHA regulations I’ve got to have a haz mat suit on. They laughed me out of it.
It’s a culture of fear that’s in the oil industry right now, similar to the coal miners in WV. That told ya’, well we really did not want to tell you the truth about how bad the coal mine is. It’s bad out there, too. A majority of people at your rally last weekend [a gas industry rally in 2011?], you know, “We’re for the industry! Yeah, yeah, yeah! Because we’re making money.” But I guarantee you what’s going on, they’re dumping illegally, they’ve got these, uh, now, I’m getting angry.
I have been a truck driver for 17 years over 48 states, a flatbed driver; used to work for wood haulers for eight years. This industry is a bunch of liars. Don’t believe what they have to say. And until we find out if this stuff is safe, we need to have a moratorium."
That's the world where people like Tamboran CEO Richard Moorman is coming from.
They are telling us that Fermanagh would have shale gas enough to supply Northern Ireland for 50 years.
(Also => Fracking - A Boom and Bust)
Then they are telling us that they want to frack "chemical free". Virtually impossible and does not prevent toxic and radioactive compounds comimg up to surface with the brine.
But we also have to read that this Company behind €7bn gas fracking plan has never used process before.
Crazy!
How many more fairy tales do we have to hear? How many myths of them will still be repeated by our mainstream media. How long will it take until even the dumbest backbencher understands that we have to kick this pest out of the country?
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As I keep saying the science ain't settled on much of this stuff yet.
http://thedailyrecord.com/2012/07/22...e-bad-science/PITTSBURGH — In the debate over natural gas drilling, the companies are often the ones accused of twisting the facts. But scientists say opponents sometimes mislead the public, too.
Critics of fracking often raise alarms about groundwater pollution, air pollution, and cancer risks, and there are still many uncertainties. But some of the claims have little — or nothing— to back them.
For example, reports that breast cancer rates rose in a region with heavy gas drilling are false, researchers told The Associated Press.
Fears that natural radioactivity in drilling waste could contaminate drinking water aren’t being confirmed by monitoring, either.
And concerns about air pollution from the industry often don’t acknowledge that natural gas is a far cleaner burning fuel than coal.
“The debate is becoming very emotional. And basically not using science” on either side, said Avner Vengosh, a Duke University professor studying groundwater contamination who has been praised and criticized by both sides.
One expert said there’s an actual psychological process at work that sometimes blinds people to science, on the fracking debate and many others.
“You can literally put facts in front of people, and they will just ignore them,” said Mark Lubell, the director of the Center for Environmental Policy and Behavior at the University of California, Davis.
Lubell said the situation, which happens on both sides of a debate, is called "Motivated Reasoning".
Rational people insist on believing things that aren’t true, in part because of feedback from other people who share their views, he said.
As a general rule the most successful man in life is the man who has the best information. Benjamin Disraeli
Secrecy is for losers. For people who do not know how important the information really is.
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I'd call it just bad jounalism. Reminds me on the Daily Mail. Not a single link to sources, and... "For example, reports that breast cancer rates rose in a region with heavy gas drilling are false, researchers told The Associated Press." Who are these "researchers"? Where is the proof?Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu
Nothing but hot air this article.
Josh Fox has done a better job:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWJwcuQK_Dg"]THE SKY IS PINK - YouTube[/ame]
Annotated documents featured in the film can be found here.
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You make an excellent case for Motivated Reasoning.
As a general rule the most successful man in life is the man who has the best information. Benjamin Disraeli
Secrecy is for losers. For people who do not know how important the information really is.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan - Secrecy: The American Experience (1998)
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And you show an excellent example for trusting in bad journalismYou make an excellent case for Motivated Reasoning.
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I’ve seen it all now. Look to the top left of the link I posted and you’ll see it is an AP report. In case you’re unaware, they are the largest most respected news gathering organization in the world. They do not do opinion pieces, factual only. By all means offer alternative (hopefully constructive) criticism, but simply attempting to debase that which you disagree with, is unworthy of this thread. Must do better.And you show an excellent example for trusting in bad journalism
As a general rule the most successful man in life is the man who has the best information. Benjamin Disraeli
Secrecy is for losers. For people who do not know how important the information really is.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan - Secrecy: The American Experience (1998)
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So what? It wouldn't be the first false report by AP. Maybe you watch the video. You'll see that Josh Fox is responding to cancer cases and where the rise has been taking place there.
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