Emigration: details, info and chat

[Kitty O'Shea]

There is a "world jobs fair" on in three days until the end of next week, see the link http://www.internationaljobsfair.com/

[goatstoe]

Do the posters on this thread who have emigrated - or not emigrated for that matter - have any views on "The Gathering"? Maybe it's been mentioned already?

[Slim Buddha]

Do the posters on this thread who have emigrated - or not emigrated for that matter - have any views on "The Gathering"? Maybe it's been mentioned already?

It seems to be a brand of some sort.

I looked at the county "event" totals. Fermanagh has just one. The Quinns at a guess.

Since only one of my family is in Ireland, it would not make sense to meet there. We are in Wiltshire, Zürich, London, Berlin and Krivoy Rog (Europe´s longest city) so maybe Zürich is the logical place to meet, if there is to be any sort of a "gathering".

[Count Bobulescu]

Don’t suspect I agree with Ogiol on much, but do agree with his comments on this thread.

I think too many Irish people over dramatize both the good and bad associated with emigration. It’s not unique to Ireland. Here’s a secret, people do it all over the world.

Speaking as one who left Ireland in my early thirties twenty five years ago, I’ll offer this:

With emigration you are looking for a new start in life, to be successful you must vigorously embrace the culture of your adopted country, otherwise you risk ghettoizing yourself in some no-man’s land. Organizations such as the Mayo men in Roscommon Association are usually to be avoided. A few do some good, most just look back wistfully.

If you are leaving with the intent of just getting a job and staying away for a few years then good luck, take your medicine, shut your mouth and stop whinging. It’ll be over soon.

[Ogiol]

Don’t suspect I agree with Ogiol on much, but do agree with his comments on this thread.

I think too many Irish people over dramatize both the good and bad associated with emigration. It’s not unique to Ireland. Here’s a secret, people do it all over the world.

Speaking as one who left Ireland in my early thirties twenty five years ago, I’ll offer this:

With emigration you are looking for a new start in life, to be successful you must vigorously embrace the culture of your adopted country, otherwise you risk ghettoizing yourself in some no-man’s land. Organizations such as the Mayo men in Roscommon Association are usually to be avoided. A few do some good, most just look back wistfully.

If you are leaving with the intent of just getting a job and staying away for a few years then good luck, take your medicine, shut your mouth and stop whinging. It’ll be over soon.

Ill agree with you on this one count, no probs at all

You have to throw yourself into the culture where you go. Its doesn't mean you have to stop being irish though. Try not to go to Irish bars or centres, though obviously they have their advantages (guinness and gaa ) but don't get sucked into the nostalgia. It'll stunt your integration and language learning.

I have to add though that going to those places is an easier way of being abroad, as it can be hard to make friends and integrate, but its well worth it for an initial bit of lonliness. I know so many people who just worked and lived in Irish bars and couldnt even string together a few sentences in the local lingo after years of living in the country. I thought that was very sad more than anything.

And Im sorry to say it again, but maybe some of you guys are from the midlands or something, but up in donegal Ive had nothing but positives since I've been back. Its a small town but I haven't got any of that guff from anyone. But then again I dont hang about with rednecks. Maybe it is a wee bit different up here

[Slim Buddha]

There is a "world jobs fair" on in three days until the end of next week, see the link http://www.internationaljobsfair.com/

Interesting. If you want information on working in Sweden, look under Spain. If you are looking for a job in Spain, join the 25% of the Spanish workforce who are looking for one too.

[Apjp]

Don’t suspect I agree with Ogiol on much, but do agree with his comments on this thread.

I think too many Irish people over dramatize both the good and bad associated with emigration. It’s not unique to Ireland. Here’s a secret, people do it all over the world.

Speaking as one who left Ireland in my early thirties twenty five years ago, I’ll offer this:

With emigration you are looking for a new start in life, to be successful you must vigorously embrace the culture of your adopted country, otherwise you risk ghettoizing yourself in some no-man’s land. Organizations such as the Mayo men in Roscommon Association are usually to be avoided. A few do some good, most just look back wistfully.

If you are leaving with the intent of just getting a job and staying away for a few years then good luck, take your medicine, shut your mouth and stop whinging. It’ll be over soon.

The lack of joined up thinking in this article says it all. Not everyone in Ireland has had to emigrate throughout the states history, with a small elite and their insider pals normally ensuring only the outsiders, the poor, the lower middle class, anyone with any sort of talent or different views, often being encouraged to leave. We should not shut up just because we are forced to leave. We should keep reminding those at home that the fact that they continue to put up with being treated like cattle is because they keep chewing on the cud. Hopefully they will eventually cop on and do something.

[Apjp]

Ill agree with you on this one count, no probs at all

You have to throw yourself into the culture where you go. Its doesn't mean you have to stop being irish though. Try not to go to Irish bars or centres, though obviously they have their advantages (guinness and gaa ) but don't get sucked into the nostalgia. It'll stunt your integration and language learning.

I have to add though that going to those places is an easier way of being abroad, as it can be hard to make friends and integrate, but its well worth it for an initial bit of lonliness. I know so many people who just worked and lived in Irish bars and couldnt even string together a few sentences in the local lingo after years of living in the country. I thought that was very sad more than anything.

And Im sorry to say it again, but maybe some of you guys are from the midlands or something, but up in donegal Ive had nothing but positives since I've been back. Its a small town but I haven't got any of that guff from anyone. But then again I dont hang about with rednecks. Maybe it is a wee bit different up here

Donegal people are a different kettle of fish. The lack of investment there, even in gombeen terms since the creation of the state, seems to have left people up there less gullible than the rest of us. Their no vote in every european referenda in recent memory being one example.

[Count Bobulescu]

The lack of joined up thinking in this article says it all. Not everyone in Ireland has had to emigrate throughout the states history, with a small elite and their insider pals normally ensuring only the outsiders, the poor, the lower middle class, anyone with any sort of talent or different views, often being encouraged to leave. We should not shut up just because we are forced to leave. We should keep reminding those at home that the fact that they continue to put up with being treated like cattle is because they keep chewing on the cud. Hopefully they will eventually cop on and do something.

Ap, you cite the lack of “joined-up thinking” but give no examples, that makes you a surefire candidate for the Mayo Men in Roscommon Association.
It is estimated that 50% of the people born on the Island wind up emigrating either temporarily or permanently. No-one forces them to do it, they choose it as their best option at the time. Your attitude toward those who remain is condescending.

[Apjp]

Ap, you cite the lack of “joined-up thinking” but give no examples, that makes you a surefire candidate for the Mayo Men in Roscommon Association.
It is estimated that 50% of the people born on the Island wind up emigrating either temporarily or permanently. No-one forces them to do it, they choose it as their best option at the time. Your attitude toward those who remain is condescending.

The problem with you is that as you said, and as I highlighted from your previous quote, you think people who emigrate should just shut up. From this quote and the previous one, it seems you think emigration is a natural part of life. I think you are not getting the big picture or else you don't know your history at all as forced emigration has been part of Irish history since the foundation of the state.

As you seem to ignore the reality that is forced emigration, When people are forced to emigrate, it is out of economic necessity-other reasons are secondary. I would wager that far more Irish emigrants were forced to leave in the last few years than 'chose' to do it. Staying at home on 100 euro a week is not much of a choice. I will gladly continue to point this out to those who somehow think emigration just happens, rather than it being an economic tool of necessity for the controlling political and business class in Ireland.

This nonsensical attitude that emigrants should just forget about why they left, and those who stay behind should just act as though people 'chose' to leave is part of the sheeple groupthink that has helped Ireland stay the same over the last 90 years. I was being kind when I called that a lack of joined up thinking. Maybe you chose to leave yourself. A great many more were indeed forced to leave, and will continue to be so. I'm saying this as someone with family across the World and as someone facing the same forced departyure, because quite simply there are no jobs here.

Your lack of understanding of what forced emigration is, and its role in our history whilst saying that 50% of Irish people 'choose to leave' is what's really condescending.

[Apjp]

'If you are leaving with the intent of just getting a job and staying away for a few years then good luck, take your medicine, shut your mouth and stop whinging. It’ll be over soon.'

Count, How is that not condescending? The last person who sounded so elitist on emigration was Mary Coughlan. 'Shut your mouth and take your medicine'. The arrogance of such sneering bollocksology. I will be sure to keep an eye out for such idiotic arrogant nonsense if I meet any member of the diaspora like you in the years ahead. You'd expect this from an Irish politician, not an emigrant.

[Count Bobulescu]

The problem with you is that as you said, and as I highlighted from your previous quote, you think people who emigrate should just shut up. From this quote and the previous one, it seems you think emigration is a natural part of life. I think you are not getting the big picture or else you don't know your history at all as forced emigration has been part of Irish history since the foundation of the state.

As you seem to ignore the reality that is forced emigration, When people are forced to emigrate, it is out of economic necessity-other reasons are secondary. I would wager that far more Irish emigrants were forced to leave in the last few years than 'chose' to do it. Staying at home on 100 euro a week is not much of a choice. I will gladly continue to point this out to those who somehow think emigration just happens, rather than it being an economic tool of necessity for the controlling political and business class in Ireland.

This nonsensical attitude that emigrants should just forget about why they left, and those who stay behind should just act as though people 'chose' to leave is part of the sheeple groupthink that has helped Ireland stay the same over the last 90 years. I was being kind when I called that a lack of joined up thinking. Maybe you chose to leave yourself. A great many more were indeed forced to leave, and will continue to be so. I'm saying this as someone with family across the World and as someone facing the same forced departyure, because quite simply there are no jobs here.

Your lack of understanding of what forced emigration is, and its role in our history whilst saying that 50% of Irish people 'choose to leave' is what's really condescending.

As I said, your attitude toward those who remain is condescending. You seem to be blaming “the other” for forcing you to emigrate, while at the same time saying to those who remain, hey I’m smarter than you I got out, and that truly is an example of a lack of as you say joined up thinking.

Your characterization of emigration as an essential tool of the controlling business class is laughable beyond belief. I certainly don’t wish this upon you, but your enthusiasm and willingness to blame the “OTHER” whether that be the business elite, or those of your fellow citizens who remain to “chew the cud” as you put it, is setting you up to be one of life’s losers.

[PaddyJoe]

Ap, you cite the lack of “joined-up thinking” but give no examples, that makes you a surefire candidate for the Mayo Men in Roscommon Association.
It is estimated that 50% of the people born on the Island wind up emigrating either temporarily or permanently. No-one forces them to do it, they choose it as their best option at the time. Your attitude toward those who remain is condescending.

Can't agree with that, Count. Historically, the majority of emigrants from Ireland would never have chosen to leave if there was even the slightest chance of making some kind of half decent live for themselves here.
Of course there's coercion there.

[Apjp]

Can't agree with that, Count. Historically, the majority of emigrants from Ireland would never have chosen to leave if there was even the slightest chance of making some kind of half decent live for themselves here.
Of course there's coercion there.

Hey watch out, Count is not one of life's losers.

[Apjp]

[QUOTE=Count Bobulescu;285136]

Your characterization of emigration as an essential tool of the controlling business class is laughable beyond belief.

As I said, you know nothing about Irish history then. Look up Sins of the Father or Diarmuid Ferriter's Limits of Liberty. This is an extremely risible quote.