ICTU Nominates John Hanafin FF to the Senate - Perry asks WTF ?

[Apjp]

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I'm afraid that'll be cold comfort to you. I haven't lost all hope yet, and will continue to be active, but I think there has to be a reflection on the road to be taken and what the medium and long term prospects for the people of this country and Europe are thanks to the organised theft known as 'bank guarantee and recapitalisation'.

I agree with what Con said before a few weeks back. It is likely that the current oppresion will lead to a civil war sooner or later. It will probably be similar to 1916. The resurgents will probably be in a huge minority, maybe only about a 1000 again, and will be condemned at first. Perhaps thats the only way people will reawaken. Im not saying I want that but you wonder sometimes whether its not worth joining the reserves just in case. Certainly, if this can be avoided, then great. But we need to occupy buildings soon peacefully anyways the way things are going. Personally I think an armed campaign will surface. I think things will just get too much, and a good few years down the line-maybe 2016, maybe not-something will lead to a war. That is usually the consequence of a repressed people and where revolutions dont happen, war becomes the revolution. Objectively as I can say this, and hopefully in the hypothetical sense required not to be perceived as illegally inciting, I see this as inevitable. when people dont rebel they bottle up anger and depression. suicides are on the up atm. But not everyone will lash out that way. It is going to explode, even if it takes years. I suppose thats the hope, obviously with the added aim to avoid war if possible. The markets even see this as quite likely in Ireland. The Tsarists starved people for centuries, and we all know that that led to an armed uprising. The question is, when will it happen here(If we dont get the referendum) and would it be socialist or purely on autonomy? I would love if we could do a France 1968. But we need to really think about how we are going to get freedom back peacefully. If that fails and fails again, what do people realistically expect as the next result? I hope its not illegal to even discuss the likelihood of a civil war. Then again this is the same country where bankers developers politicians etc dont go to jail and people who steal bread/cant afford fines/tv license are jailed. As many a keynesian and marxist lecturer has said to me Ireland is the perfect storm. Anything could happen-anything.

[antiestablishmentarian]

I don't think we'll see a war. Probably economic chaos with severe class battles going on as people are increasingly pauperised.

[Apjp]

I don't think we'll see a war. Probably economic chaos with severe class battles going on as people are increasingly pauperised.

Fair enough. if its a choice between a successful strike and lockout like 1913 coluda been or a 1916 that would be legendary in 100 years but cause unwanted bloodshed its an easy choice really.

[C. Flower]

Some news via the Cedar Lounge Revolution

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Dear Councillor Perry

Although individual unions affiliated to Congress, including your own, are also affiliated to the Labour Party, Congress is not.

Senator Hanafin is a member of a trade union affiliated to Congres and his name was put forward by his trade union. Within our rules there is no basis for denying him a nomination because of his political affiliation.

I trust this clarifies the position.

Yours sincerely

David Begg
General Secretary

David Begg letter to Cieran Perry

[Apjp]

Some news via the Cedar Lounge Revolution

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Dear Councillor Perry

Although individual unions affiliated to Congress, including your own, are also affiliated to the Labour Party, Congress is not.

Senator Hanafin is a member of a trade union affiliated to Congres and his name was put forward by his trade union. Within our rules there is no basis for denying him a nomination because of his political affiliation.

I trust this clarifies the position.

Yours sincerely

David Begg
General Secretary

David Begg letter to Cieran Perry

He left that late to blather over. when are the meaningless elections anyways? I dread 5 more years of Eoghan harris..add to that callelly who stil has his job..and coleman and that slimy creep thomas byrne and all his FFer buddies..eeuuggghh. i'll be glad once it's done away with. It just shows ye what kind of country we live in that callely got 20k compensation just for being given a small suspension from the seanad/ Sure give the ****** more money, that'll teach him.