Default by Greece Inevitable - Update : Heave to Oust Greece From the Eurozone

[Ephilant]

The police are saying this Editor has breached the state's privacy laws. In which case should they be seeking to question Ms Lagarde or will she have to stay out of Greece for fear of arrest and questioning?

She would appear to be at least an accomplice. Also, the police are saying there is no evidence that the people on the list have evaded tax- presumably they just like having Swiss bank accounts and are keen watchers of 'The Sound of Music'.

The police or Greek tax authorities have given no indication of any efforts they've made to establish whether they have checked with the people on the list whether tax was paid on the monies in the Swiss bank accounts.

Interesting that they should attempt to bypass that little conumdrum and make such strenuous efforts to protect the principle of privacy in Greece. It will be interesting to see what actions the Greek tax authorities make to contact the people on that list and establish whether the money was taxable income and whether tax was paid on it.

Amazing the lengths a corrupt elite will go to and the knots they tie themselves into when attempting to operate the law to silence the awkward. The same system operates in Ireland of course.

Kostas is to appear in a special sitting of the court today, and could be facing up to 3 years in jail for publishing the list.
It would seem that in Greek logic it is perfectly ok to have and hold information on possible tax evadors, but as soon as you "process and publish" (exact words on the charges), then you fall foul of the law. Which would of course fully justify both Venizelos and Papakonstantinou on their non-action. Can't have politicians breaking the law now, can we? That simply wouldn't do...

As for Lagarde, she is not a Greek citizen, claims to have obtained the list from the French secret service (despite Falciani, the guy who iriginally liberated the list from HSBC stating he handed it to her personally while she was French Minister for Finance), and claims she handed it to Papakonstantinou in Brussels. Meaning, she did not commit any crime on Greek soil. She didn't commit any crime anyway, what are you thinking? She's not only above tax laws, she is obviously also above criminal laws and anything else that would bring her status in line with the plebs. How could you even suggest she should be treated the same as Joe Soap

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Interesting to see what action the tax authorities propose to take on the issue raised by the list itself.

They can hardly ignore it.

[Ephilant]

Interesting to see what action the tax authorities propose to take on the issue raised by the list itself.

They can hardly ignore it.

Non-action does not necessarily mean ignoring it. This is Greece after all. Non action in this case is very much action as in action to protect the 2000 odd elite who have been ******** this country and the people to the wall for years, and insist they should be allowed to keep on doing so. By the way, isn't there some sort of "Lagarde list" in Ireland as well? Golden circles were mentioned at some stage, in realtion to Anglo?
I think Kostas made a big mistake in just publishing this. He did not investigate the data, and has no stick behind the door, other than the protests of the people. But that can be sorted, if need be by putting thousands soldiers, armed to the teeth, on the streets of our cities. I seriously believe that was the message from the government in Thessaloniki yesterday.
Kostas is of course a one-man band, and doesn't have the resources that e.g the Telegraph had when they received the data on British MP abuses of "expenses". As far as I remember, it took them at least 6 months to publish the data, but during those 6 months they had a whole team investigating every letter in the original info they received, so that they could hit back hard, just in case. I also think they didn't have any problems like Kostas does right now...

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Any mention of Reporters Without Borders or any other organisations like Amnesty making representation on his behalf?

[Ephilant]

Any mention of Reporters Without Borders or any other organisations like Amnesty making representation on his behalf?

NOt that I am aware of. What I am aware of is what the Greek government would tell them if they did, and it would not be the nicest thing to say to anybody....

[Ephilant]

Meanwhile, according to these guys there are only 2 places on earth that are even worse as a place for investment than Greece. Iran and Iraq are deemed to be a heavier risk, everywhere else is safer.
So, another reason to destroy labour rights in order to woe foreign investment qand make Greece a safer place?

http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/...worldnews&lite

[Ephilant]

Well, this will give them something to think about! Anonymous has once again hacked the website of the Greek Ministry of Finance, and copies hundreds of emails and official documents relating to the correspondence between the FinMin and the Troika.
documents as recent as 22/10/2012 have been released in an effort to

Show the People of Greece the real state of the economy the truth on the Troika policies.

Of course, our government parties are "voting" on whether to accept the package as put forward by the Troika or not. This is much more than just putting the cat amongst the pigeons. Links have been uploaded to the Anonymous site Anonpaste. Lots of this stuff is in English. The volume of documents keeps increasing.
There is suspiciously little comment from the Greek government or the Troika on this. Start reading, it might just give you some inkling of what is heading your way...

some of the stuff they published

http://cylaw.info/wp-content/uploads...10/Capture.jpg

http://cylaw.info/wp-content/uploads...0/Capture2.jpg

The complete hack is poste on anonpaste.me, currently inaccessible from Greece. I wonder why...

[Ephilant]

Any mention of Reporters Without Borders or any other organisations like Amnesty making representation on his behalf?

The Trial has been postponed with the next hearing set for Nov 1st coming. The reason for postponement is to

allow certain individuals whos names appear on the list to testify against the journalist

This smacks like a proper political set-up, witht the "witnesses" obviously going for serious compensation to "clear their name", and adding this to their Swiss bank account...
His defense team has however stated that they have the proff and the witnesses to bring forward that this is indeed a political coverup for the sole purpose of protection "certain individuals".

This could get interesting!

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

I hope this has been thought out and it is designed (with legal advice) to bring some of those people to court to testify against him.

likely to be high profile and some of those people won't want to be standing in a witness box and being seen to be involved in a jailing under these circumstances.

They definitely won't want to be there if there's a chance of his lawyer discrediting them as tax-dodgers in public either. And on the court record.

[Holly]

It is reported in The Daily Telegraph today that "the EU-IMF Troika of inspectors in Greece has called on European bodies and official creditors to write off a chunk of their loans."

A draft version of the Troika report obtained by Spiegal magazine said "EMU governments and the European Central Bank must accept their share of losses in order to bring Greece's public debt back to 120% of GDP by 2020."

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

The political language is interesting. The Troika, which is comprised of the IMF/ECB and some other passenger on the bus calls on the 'official' creditors to accept a haircut.

The word 'official' there is quite important because it refers only to loans held by public bodies and means that the Troika are suggesting that 'private' debtholders such as the investment bank wealth funds and individual bondholders should be exempt from the suggested haircut.

In other words the Troika are suggesting that governments should write off some of the investment they had in Greek sovereign debt- which again means haircutting taxpayers and strangely enough ignoring the private wealth funds owned by billionaires and millionaires.

[Ephilant]

Creating a bit of a stir in Greece right now

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xuo...om=embediframe

Ex Prime minister Papandreou was having a meal in a restaurant in Berlin when some passing greek students reckonized him and went in to give him a piece of their mind.

One of them filmed it and posted it on the internet.

"Shame on You!"
"Yes, eat and drink with the money you stole from our country"
"You put our country to shame"

some of the nicer things he was treated to...

[20 yards of linen=1 coat]

More disturbing news:

http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/...n-from-greece/

Systematic state efforts to threaten the flow of information from Greece
Monday, October 29, 2012

Today the text of the 3rd memorandum of agreement eliminating public provisions was released. Simultaneously today, one day after the arrest of a journalist for releasing a list of tax-dodgers, a young man was arrested in Corfu island because he published in his web-blog photos of police officers having very friendly encounters with neo-Nazis. Earlier in the morning the management of the state TV channel (ERT) announced that from tomorrow its morning news show is cancelled. The reason is that the two journalists of the show commented on the attitude of the Minister of Citizen Protection (police) who was threatening that will sue foreign newspapers for writing that the anti-Nazi activists were tortured in police HQ. The two journalists were discussing about the coroner’s diagnosis which was released confirming that proper torturing of the 15 anti-Nazi activists did occur in the police HQ.

Had you heard about those other two things ephilant? Hopefully it was at least reported that the two journalists had been taken off the air and why...

Interesting news about the writedown of "official" debt. The Germans/Fins/etc wont be too happy about that

[Ephilant]

More disturbing news:

http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/...n-from-greece/



Had you heard about those other two things ephilant? Hopefully it was at least reported that the two journalists had been taken off the air and why...

Interesting news about the writedown of "official" debt. The Germans/Fins/etc wont be too happy about that

We are experiencing serious "internet problems" and "Power problems" Could be because of the shabby German technology driving these (Deutsche Telefunken and the German consortium now running the elctric picninc) but me thinks this has a lot more to do with the anonymous stunt on Sunday night. Some of the papers we did get to see show nothing less that economic sabotage of this nation by the TROIKA, and explicitly state the intentions of bringing the country to it knees for the greater good of Europe.
The live "Morning Information" program on NET TV (The state broadcaster) has indeed been cancelled. here is the official reason:

General Directorate of ERT fully respects the rules of the free press and it proves in daily practice the broadcast of all views. However, it can not accept the violation of the minimum standards of journalistic ethics.

The presenters of the daily magazine “Morning Information” on NET, Mr. Kostas Arvanitis and Mrs. Marilena Katsimi, made unacceptable insinuations against the Minister of Citizen Protection Mr. Nikos Dendias, and thus without giving him the right to express his own opinion, while with their comments appeared to prejudge the outcome of the judicial decision.

This is a transcript of the offending dialogue (rush job, sorry for google translate job):

M. Katsimi. … and here came out the forensic findings for the 15 arrested published in the Guardian and for which case Mr. Dendias wanted to sue the Guardian
Mr. Arvanitis. Didn’t he sue?
M. Katsimi. He didn’t because the findings show that it is indeed a felony.
Mr. Arvanitis. And now, is he going to resign?
M. Katsimi. I do not think that he would resign. But it was strange what Mr. Dendias said – as if he knew the findings, which is not normally done, that one the other hand is good that he didn’t know the findings but on the other hand, how can you say such a thing?
Mr. Arvanitis. And now what? Would he apologize?
M. Katsimi. I do not know ….
Mr. Arvanitis. Wow… that’s difficult for Mr. Dendias. And he is from the same place as you, from Corfu.
M. Katsimi. And he is a serious man and I have to say.

Not really sad to see this heavily biased program go, but very worried about the resons for it. Greece is rapidly reverting to the Junta situation, and free speech and critical reporting are very much being targetted.

[Ephilant]

Not really sad to see this heavily biased program go, but very worried about the resons for it. Greece is rapidly reverting to the Junta situation, and free speech and critical reporting are very much being targetted.

I swear to Zeus they are watching me... News just in

An ERT3 journalist was REMOVED from the studio on the spot, because he criticizing the extremely heavy police presence in and around Agios Dimitrios Cathedral the other day when Samaras decided to heavy handedly exclude the common people from the traditional religious celebration of their patron saint.

There is, as we speak, an extraordianry meeting going on with journalists, reporters and presneters with the state braodcasters to decide on action against this blatant abuse of power by the Samaras muppets. And it's getting worse by the day.

And a just "just-in" update, a rolling strike action starts now within the state braodcasters and will keep going until the journalists and presenters in question are re-instated without consequences in their jobs.