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    Default Re: Could Someone Tell Phil Hogan The Country Has Already Been Destroyed

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Frank must have been reading this thread.
    Hard hitting stuff:
    Hogan wanted the Custom House, and got it. One wonders why. On his desk is a file recommending that independent inspectors should be appointed to investigate planning irregularities in six local authorities, including one (Carlow County Council) in his own constituency. Even before taking up his post, he described these cases as “spurious, mostly”. It seems unlikely, therefore, that the investigations will proceed.
    Clientelist politicians to their fingertips, both Hogan and Penrose may be expected to pay more attention to the concerns of rural lobbies than they will to the fate of Dublin and other cities. Whatever “review” they carry out of the 2010 Planning Act – and it is to be done jointly – will need to be watched closely to ensure that we don’t blindly revert to the utterly discredited status quo ante.
    Hogan needn't look for any quarter at the hands of the IT

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    Default Re: Could Someone Tell Phil Hogan The Country Has Already Been Destroyed

    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe McGillycuddy View Post
    Hard hitting stuff:
    Hogan needn't look for any quarter at the hands of the IT
    As hard hitting as it is rare these days in the IT.
    When are Madame and her ilk going to cop on that they only way to combat the much talked about threat from social media is with erudite background reporting with attitude that reflects the reality of people who have been assaulted by a hard-hitting outrageous fortune that's not of their making.

    People tune out, turn off and a few go seek a cudgel when presented with featherweights playing by the Queensbury rules tackling baby-eating corporate and political Godzillas.

    It's time to kill the beast.

    Well done Frank.
    But we should not be surprised by this, we should expect it and more.

    @Baron
    Don't think it was an anti-redneck rant. The stage for re-zoning tragedies is not in Dublin but the surrounding counties. The point is about the danger of culchie clientelism exploiting urban proximity.
    It's not a demand that they all get sent to elocution class.
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    Phil Hogan has given an interview to the Mail and the CLR has reported it in detail.


    http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/201...e-environment/


    …I don’t have any relationship whatsoever in a personal, business, commercial sense, with Denis O’Brien. They got the notion I had some business relationships: not at all.’ The media, he says, are ‘putting one and one together’ and coming up with ‘five’.
    Mr Hogan smiles when I put it to him that he lived up to his monicker of ‘Cute Oul’ Phil’ when plans for a universal household charge were ‘coincidentally’ announced in the Dáil the day the Queen arrived. ‘People can read into the timing of that… but we had parliamentary questions on Tuesday and I just answered the question,’ he shrugs, still beaming. He acknowledges that this household charge, planned for next year, is ‘effectively a charge on property, for the purpose of providing local services’. It sounds like a flat-rate water charge – something he had vowed not to do. ‘There will be no flat-rate water charges. There will be water charges by meter in 2014 and beyond,’ he states categorically
    ‘We expect it will cost about €500m to roll out the metering programme over three years. The government hasn’t decided how we’re going to pay for the rollout. It’s not yet decided whether it will be from part of the proceeds of the household charge or the National Pension Reserve Fund or some other source.’ It still sounds like a service charge by another name and, therefore, a U-turn on water taxes. ‘But I’m obliged under the EU/IMF agreement to implement the four-year programme. And I have no choice only to bring in this household charge as it was part of the deal negotiated by Fianna Fáil. I would love to be in a position not to bring in any charge,’ he says.
    On his own portfolio, Mr Hogan claims he inherited ‘a dysfunctional department’ from his predecessor, John Gormley. He accuses the former Green leader of ‘badly damaging’ Ireland’s reputation at EU level. ‘There was an enormous amount of legacy issues left to me, including 31 court rulings against Ireland from the European Court of Justice. He allowed them to fester and drag on for the last couple of years. ‘There was a huge amount of procrastinating with the result that we have no waste policy, no water policy, no reform of politics and local government and a damaged international reputation. ‘I also inherited a considerable difficulty in the processing of administration of foreshore applications which was preventing a lot of renewable energy projects, ironically, from being developed, which in turn had implications for the Green economy.


    For ‘foreshore applications’ read ‘Poolbeg Incinerator’, the controversial project in Mr Gormley’s own constituency that the former Green leader successfully stalled throughout his term of office. ‘It’s ironic that a Green minister would actually leave that particular processing of an essential piece of infrastructure in such bad shape, considering the potential it had to meet a lot of his own policy objectives,’ says Mr Hogan, perhaps a little disingenuously. After all, all politics are local. ‘Effectively, he’s left so many legacy issues for me to repair – and the damage with the European Court of Justice and the European Union speaks for itself.’ Christened ‘the Enforcer’ ever since he saved Kenny’s bacon in the botched heave last year, such is his influence now that it’s rumoured the Taoiseach doesn’t make a move without consulting Hogan, his director of elections. So, when the new Environment Minister expresses his opinion, you can be sure he’s singing from the same hymn sheet as the Taoiseach. So, what are the key reforms he plans? ‘I would like to be in a position where we have much more appreciation of the quality of our environment. I’m working on a campaign to make Ireland clean, which is an anti-litter campaign.
    ‘The indiscriminate and disrespectful view that some Irish people take of our environment in so many practical ways is disgraceful. I’m determined to bring in legislation if necessary and fines, as well as progressive positive policies to help clean up our environment. ‘Secondly, all the legacy issues in relation to our European Court of Justice rulings. The streamlining of the foreshore licence process [/code] and how we can deal with some of the legacy landfill and toxic sites around the country are also a priority for me. ‘Thirdly, I would like certainty about water quality, waste policy and local government policy where we have a stronger local government dimension, with a stronger democratic mandate for the 2014 local elections. I’m in favour of devolution of power from central government to local government.’ He says he is also looking at plans for several referenda – such as one on ‘reducing the term of the presidency from seven years to five years’; the children’s referendum; abolishing the Seanad and reducing the number of TDs to have ‘30% less numbers in the Oireachtas’ [implying a reduction of 15 TDs, to 151]; and also a referendum on ‘varying judges’ pay’. He also has plans for an elected Lord Mayor of Dublin with ‘meaningful powers’ by 2011
    ‘I don’t expect anybody would turn their back on a friend. I never would. I would have no difficulty – I would never abandon a friend in their hour of need.’
    Erm, Lowry’s hour of need? ‘Certainly, anybody who has gone through the traumatic time – whether it was brought on by himself or otherwise – I certainly would have a degree of sympathy for him on a human level. ‘Fourteen years is a long time to be going through the trauma of a tribunal. That’s why I want to reform the system of tribunals of enquiry to ensure we have speedy resolution to these matters in the event of allegations being made in the future.’ Perhaps there is an element of ‘there but for the grace of God’ about Mr Hogan’s defence of his old friend, since Moriarty briefly had him in its crosshairs over a meeting with Denis O’Brien to discuss Esat Digifone’s bid that the Kilkenny TD insisted he could not recall – despite the fact that one of the other people present, Garret FitzGerald’s son Mark, recalled it in detail.
    ‘Well, I certainly can’t recall any such meetings,’ he says. ‘That’s the honest view I gave to the Tribunal and they accepted that.’ It doesn’t look good when a politician says he can’t recall an event, I remark. ‘I can understand that. But I tried to portray in my submission to the Tribunal an honest appraisal and that was the way I did it. And I’m glad that the judge did not find any adverse comment or findings against me in that regard.’ But what about FitzGerald’s evidence? ‘You’ll have to ask him about that.’ Judge Moriarty described it as ‘coherent’. ‘Well, the judge did not find anything adverse in his findings against Minister Hogan and I’m very happy with the findings,’ he says, referring to himself in the third person. Is he saying FitzGerald’s version is inaccurate? ‘Well, I don’t know. All I can say is what’s in the report. He didn’t come down one way or the other. He certainly didn’t come down against Minister Hogan.’ So, I can say that as far as Phil Hogan is concerned, FitzGerald is wrong in his recollection? ‘You can’t say any such thing! Just read the Tribunal report. I made my submission and Mark FitzGerald made his and the judge had to come to conclusions. And he didn’t, in my case, find adversely against me. It’s a matter for others to make up their minds about anybody else.’
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    Interesting interview. I don't think CAB are going to get their man in spite of the leak last week that Lowry should be 'pursued for unlawful enrichment'
    I missed the announcement on Tuesday about the household charge. So did plenty of others, obviously.
    It was a good week for keeping 'news' under the radar. ILP took advantage to have their shareholder meeting(which ended in a walkout) and announce over 3bn in losses. AIB had a major management restructuring and began lobbying for a lifting of salary caps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe McGillycuddy View Post
    I missed the announcement on Tuesday about the household charge. So did plenty of others, obviously.
    So did I but I keep hearing a figure of 'round €500' - where did this come from??

    Is there any announcement apart from the puff piece interview? - its all Gormley's fault - one of many items the EC is suing about is water quality, a twenty plus year old directive never implemented by previous governments, including FG, FF/Labour, FF/Green, etc., etc.

    Stop bullshitting Hogan and get on with managing the country. Just what exactly will the household charge be for? and, as a fixed fee, will the government be providing the same services for everybody, rural and urban???? Presumably the people we saw on Prime Time investigates last night will have to pay the €500????

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    So did I but I keep hearing a figure of 'round €500' - where did this come from??

    Is there any announcement apart from the puff piece interview? - its all Gormley's fault - one of many items the EC is suing about is water quality, a twenty plus year old directive never implemented by previous governments, including FG, FF/Labour, FF/Green, etc., etc.

    Stop bullshitting Hogan and get on with managing the country. Just what exactly will the household charge be for? and, as a fixed fee, will the government be providing the same services for everybody, rural and urban???? Presumably the people we saw on Prime Time investigates last night will have to pay the €500????
    Is someone suggesting that water charges should be levied on houses that don't receive a public supply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ang View Post
    Irish Times running with more on our new Minister Phil Hogan (who it was appear was given the brief he wanted) and his plans for wreaking havoc on the planning system as the IT headline states "Minister risks returning to bad old days of planning" Looking at the current financial crisis and how the Irish people are paying for it this is absolutely the last thing we need :-

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...293432244.html
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    Hogan wanted the Custom House, and got it. One wonders why. On his desk is a file recommending that independent inspectors should be appointed to investigate planning irregularities in six local authorities, including one (Carlow County Council) in his own constituency. Even before taking up his post, he described these cases as “spurious, mostly”. It seems unlikely, therefore, that the investigations will proceed.
    There you go. This is now to be an internal, and not an independent enquiry, even though people have been appointed, and presumably will have to be paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    There you go. This is now to be an internal, and not an independent enquiry, even though people have been appointed, and presumably will have to be paid.
    FG councillors are up to their necks in dodgy planning decisions:
    The fact is that Fine Gael was as guilty as Fianna Fáil in rezoning land against planning advice over the years, not just in the Dublin area but throughout the State. Indeed, it was Fine Gael councillors who led the charge in 2005 to rezone hundreds of acres of land on the outskirts of every village in Co Laois, prompting then minister for the environment Dick Roche to use his powers to put a halt to their gallop.

    In Co Monaghan, his successor – Green Party leader John Gormley – had to intervene in 2007 after councillors there had rezoned hundreds of acres for residential development (some of them located in floodplains) because this was “unwarranted” by housing need. Hugh McElvaney, the council’s Fine Gael leader, huffed that the minister was “against the development of villages the way we want them”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe McGillycuddy View Post
    FG councillors are up to their necks in dodgy planning decisions:
    They are just as responsible as FF for this mess and planning is one of the main reasons why this Country is in such a mess. I actually believe the people of this Nation should be demanding a very public indepth inquiry into planning decisions made throughout the boom and new planning laws implemented to ensure this type of madness can't happen again.
    Thomas Jefferson : Banking Establishments are More Dangerous to our Liberties than Standing Armies.

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    Big Phil has decided that the environment is for wusses. No more talk of a Climate Change Act and sectoral targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Big Phil has decided that the environment is for wusses. No more talk of a Climate Change Act and sectoral targets.
    He might even let Ming destroy the bogs of Roscommon.

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    Gormless has just said "SIPO told me today that after a long preliminary inquiry there was 'no basis' for the complaint made by Phil Hogan against me re incinerator"

    hmm

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    As a lowly environmental scientist and definitively not one to argue against a finer authority on these matters. I have to ask, does Minister Hogan know what he is doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty O'Shea View Post
    does Minister Hogan know what he is doing?
    If you mean putting business before sustainability, shutting down investigations in his own constituency and fixing local government to suit Fine Gael.
    All the while hopefully finding something for the Auctioneers to do with their day, then yes. Id say he has a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVE View Post
    If you mean putting business before sustainability, shutting down investigations in his own constituency and fixing local government to suit Fine Gael.
    All the while hopefully finding something for the Auctioneers to do with their day, then yes. Id say he has a good idea.
    Amazing that he hasn't been made explain the above in any meaningful way.
    It's same old same old.
    And it will not go unremembered either.

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