Intervention in Libya- Arab League Say Stop -NATO Says its Neutral - EU Council Votes For Invasion

[Holly]

I made an exception over the Malvinas. I would have loved to have seen Thatcher knocked home to blighty.

The cynical invasion of the Malvinas by the fascist dictatorship set back the Argentinian claim to the islands by a century if not for good. It was good to see them get a licking from the British who taught them the lesson that taking on a real army is a lot harder than subjugating a civilian population.

[Sam Lord]

You think that the Argentinian regime didn't attack its own people ?

But I did not support that. I supported the claim of Argentian in the Malvinas conflict as did 99.9% of the people of Argentina. It is entirely bogus to mix the Malvinas conflict and Libya up ... they are two entirely separate types of conflict.

Supporting a weak, post colonial/semi colonial state against an imperialist military alliance goes without saying, for me.

Internally, as you know, I would support a worker-led overthrow of Gaddafi to replace his regime with a socialist system.

Imo, the Opposition, as recognised by the US/NATO, is not going to do anything remotely like that.

Some of them seem to be monarchists, for example.

Why can you not just say I would like Gadaffi to win this war?

[C. Flower]

The cynical invasion of the Malvinas by the fascist dictatorship set back the Argentinian claim to the islands by a century if not for good. It was good to see them get a licking from the British who taught them the lesson that taking on a real army is a lot harder than subjugating a civilian population.

The British taught them that old colonialists are happy to sink a training ship full of teenage boys, heading back to port.

The British victory strengthened Thatcher's hand generally and was not good news for civilian populations anywhere.

How long would any of the world's tin pot dictatorships last if they didn't have the backing of the US, UK, France etc. ?

[Sam Lord]

The cynical invasion of the Malvinas by the fascist dictatorship set back the Argentinian claim to the islands by a century if not for good. It was good to see them get a licking from the British who taught them the lesson that taking on a real army is a lot harder than subjugating a civilian population.

The Brits were not far off losing that conflict if truth be known. And they were, of course, provided with invaluable assistance in their war by another fascist dictatorship.

[C. Flower]

But I did not support that. I supported the claim of Argentian in the Malvinas conflict as did 99.9% of the people of Argentina. It is entirely bogus to mix the Malvinas conflict and Libya up ... they are two entirely separate types of conflict.

Why can you not just say I would like Gadaffi to win this war?

I wanted Thatcher beaten as it would have been a knock to Imperialism, first and foremost.

I think the best outcome for Libya, as I've said before, is that the offer of an election, monitored by neutral observers, is accepted and that both sides stop fighting. I have no desire to see a protracted civil war in Libya, which would not be "won" by Gadaffi or anyone else.

I've also said before that I support oppositionists who are against the NATO involvement.

If 99% of the Libyan population supported the opposition, this would all have been over weeks ago.

[TotalMayhem]

The British taught them that old colonialists are happy to sink a training ship full of teenage boys, heading back to port.

ROFL, you make it sound like they sank a cruise liner full of holidaymakers on their way home.

ARA General Belgrano was an armed light cruiser patrolling in a war zone and thus constituting a viable threat to the British. With the exception of a few civilian non-combatants the crew comprised military personnel.

[C. Flower]

ROFL, you make it sound like they sank a cruise liner full of holidaymakers on their way home.

ARA General Belgrano was an armed light cruiser patrolling in a war zone and thus constituting a viable threat to the British. With the exception of a few civilian non-combatants the crew comprised military personnel.

"Military personnel" being mainly sea cadets. Heading out of the war zone, back to home port.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source...elV65yGQBfLshg

Tripoli was heavily bombed again, the night before last. NATO seems to have got new supplies.

[Holly]

The Brits were not far off losing that conflict if truth be known. And they were, of course, provided with invaluable assistance in their war by another fascist dictatorship.

I wanted Thatcher beaten as it would have been a knock to Imperialism, first and foremost.

I do not share your support of a most cruel, criminal, and abusive junta such as the Argentinian people, not least the working class, had to endure for so many years. Indeed, the liberation of the Argentinians was in no small measure due to the blow delivered to that despicable police state by the British.

[Sam Lord]

I think the best outcome for Libya, as I've said before, is that the offer of an election, monitored by neutral observers, is accepted and that both sides stop fighting. I have no desire to see a protracted civil war in Libya, which would not be "won" by Gadaffi or anyone else.

We are well past the elections stage. The lunatic in Tripoli should have made the offer when people protested instead of killing them in the streets.

There is no doubt who will win the war in Libya in the short or long run. Only someone as deluded as Gadaffi thinks he has a future.

The left is making all sorts of mistakes on this. I was reading on a blog somewhere that in a city in England with a Libyan expatriate population of 10,000 that they cannot get a single Libyan to come on a demonstration opposing NATO intervention because you have these nutters coming along waving green flags and chanting victory to Gadaffi.

Supporting the people who rose up against the dictator is number one in my books .... whatever position you take on the NATO intervention.

[Sam Lord]

Indeed, the liberation of the Argentinians was in no small measure due to the blow delivered to that despicable police state by the British.

... with the collusion of their allies in the fascist state of Chile.

[Sam Lord]

I do not share your support of a most cruel, criminal, and abusive junta such as the Argentinian people, not least the working class, had to endure for so many years.

No one has said they supported the Junta. [ed mod SL]

[TotalMayhem]

"Military personnel" being mainly sea cadets.

Cadets are military personnel and thus combatants.

Heading out of the war zone, back to home port.

Sure... "On April 29th, the Argentine task group began patrolling South of the Falkland Islands."

[C. Flower]

Cadets are military personnel and thus combatants.



Sure... "On April 29th, the Argentine task group began patrolling South of the Falkland Islands."

You're forgetting the Thatcher interview and those co-ordinates ....

[C. Flower]

We are well past the elections stage. The lunatic in Tripoli should have made the offer when people protested instead of killing them in the streets.

There is no doubt who will win the war in Libya in the short or long run. Only someone as deluded as Gadaffi thinks he has a future.

The left is making all sorts of mistakes on this. I was reading on a blog somewhere that in a city in England with a Libyan expatriate population of 10,000 that they cannot get a single Libyan to come on a demonstration opposing NATO intervention because you have these nutters coming along waving green flags and chanting victory to Gadaffi.

Supporting the people who rose up against the dictator is number one in my books .... whatever position you take on the NATO intervention.

They aren't nutters, imo. They are taking a very wrong political position, if they are socialists, of supporting a head of state who relies on the army and on social spending to stay in power.

[TotalMayhem]

You're forgetting the Thatcher interview and those co-ordinates ....

The co-ordinates don't matter, While Belgrano was sunk outside the Total Exclusion Zone, the Brits have made it very clear that enemy vessels and aircraft outside the Exclusion Zone could be attacked if they posed a threat to the British task force.

And this is the official position of the Argentine Navy:

Belgrano was part of an operation that posed a real threat to the British task force, that it was holding off for tactical reasons, and that being outside of the exclusion zone was unimportant as it was a warship on tactical mission.