Intervention in Libya- Arab League Say Stop -NATO Says its Neutral - EU Council Votes For Invasion

[Sam Lord]

Ellen Brown thinks its all about banking. Make of it what you will:

http://palestinefreevoice.blogspot.c...il-or-all.html


According to a Russian article titled “Bombing of Lybia – Punishment for Ghaddafi for His Attempt to Refuse US Dollar,” Gadaffi made a similarly bold move: he initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro, and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead, the gold dinar. Gadaffi suggested establishing a united African continent, with its 200 million people using this single currency. During the past year, the idea was approved by many Arab countries and most African countries. The only opponents were the Republic of South Africa and the head of the League of Arab States. The initiative was viewed negatively by the USA and the European Union, with French president Nicolas Sarkozy calling Libya a threat to the financial security of mankind; but Gaddafi was not swayed and continued his push for the creation of a united Africa.

“And that brings us back to the puzzle of the Libyan central bank. In an article posted on the Market Oracle, Eric Encina observed: ‘One seldom mentioned fact by western politicians and media pundits: the Central Bank of Libya is 100% State Owned. . . . Currently, the Libyan government creates its own money, the Libyan Dinar, through the facilities of its own central bank. Few can argue that Libya is a sovereign nation with its own great resources, able to sustain its own economic destiny. One major problem for globalist banking cartels is that in order to do business with Libya, they must go through the Libyan Central Bank and its national currency, a place where they have absolutely zero dominion or power-broking ability. Hence, taking down the Central Bank of Libya (CBL) may not appear in the speeches of Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy but this is certainly at the top of the globalist agenda for absorbing Libya into its hive of compliant nations.’”

[C. Flower]

Ellen Brown thinks its all about banking. Make of it what you will:

http://palestinefreevoice.blogspot.c...il-or-all.html


According to a Russian article titled “Bombing of Lybia – Punishment for Ghaddafi for His Attempt to Refuse US Dollar,” Gadaffi made a similarly bold move: he initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro, and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead, the gold dinar. Gadaffi suggested establishing a united African continent, with its 200 million people using this single currency. During the past year, the idea was approved by many Arab countries and most African countries. The only opponents were the Republic of South Africa and the head of the League of Arab States. The initiative was viewed negatively by the USA and the European Union, with French president Nicolas Sarkozy calling Libya a threat to the financial security of mankind; but Gaddafi was not swayed and continued his push for the creation of a united Africa.

“And that brings us back to the puzzle of the Libyan central bank. In an article posted on the Market Oracle, Eric Encina observed: ‘One seldom mentioned fact by western politicians and media pundits: the Central Bank of Libya is 100% State Owned. . . . Currently, the Libyan government creates its own money, the Libyan Dinar, through the facilities of its own central bank. Few can argue that Libya is a sovereign nation with its own great resources, able to sustain its own economic destiny. One major problem for globalist banking cartels is that in order to do business with Libya, they must go through the Libyan Central Bank and its national currency, a place where they have absolutely zero dominion or power-broking ability. Hence, taking down the Central Bank of Libya (CBL) may not appear in the speeches of Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy but this is certainly at the top of the globalist agenda for absorbing Libya into its hive of compliant nations.’”

I don't think it's all about banking, but I do think that the economics - the bank - and the oil - come in to it.

The set up by the Benghazi opposition Council of a new Central bank and their claim on control of Libya's oil came right at the outset of the uprising.
It is possible that Libya has large gold reserves that might be seen as a prize.

The need for the US to get a military force in place where is can strategically split the revolution is, I would have thought, another factor.

The Libyan oil reserves, another.

Also, the US has its own plans for Africa that diverge from Gaddafi's.

[Kev Bar]

What led the Saudis to push this through? Did someone from the United States telephone someone in Saudi Arabia and request this? I think it was quite the opposite. This was an instance of the Saudis trying to affect U.S. policy rather than the other way around. And it worked. It tipped the balance.

What the Saudis wanted, and what they got, was a big distraction from what they thought most urgent, and what they were doing - a crackdown on the Arab revolt, as it affected first of all Saudi Arabia itself, then the Gulf states, then elsewhere in the Arab world.

Pure speculation and no evidence given. Of course the Saudis are deeply unhappy with the revolts, most particularly the Bahraini revolt which is much closer to home, but the idea that they are ordering the US about is unreal. What might have been noted was that the Saudis stepped in very quickly to increase oil extraction to compensate from the fall in the Libyan supply. There may well have been some quid pro quo offered by the US that under no circumstances would the revolution be allowed to succeed in any of the Gulf States/Saudi Arabia.
The Bahraini revolution seems to have been seriously driven back with aid of troops from Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

It's not a simple issue of who calls and who answers - there is a serious convergence of interests.
The Arab League backing reeked of a deal from the word go. Cactus mentions quid pro quo.
That I have presumed from the word go is the case but with addition of stacks of quids for the status quo.
Libya provided a good, and arguably legit, wag the dog scenario.

Meanwhile ... it what looks like a page out of the IDF for beginners handbook, it seems the Saudis are destroying Shia mosques in Bahrain.

Israel and Al Qaeda are probably out on the rip together today having a great laugh at their good fortune.

[C. Flower]

What led the Saudis to push this through? Did someone from the United States telephone someone in Saudi Arabia and request this? I think it was quite the opposite. This was an instance of the Saudis trying to affect U.S. policy rather than the other way around. And it worked. It tipped the balance.

What the Saudis wanted, and what they got, was a big distraction from what they thought most urgent, and what they were doing - a crackdown on the Arab revolt, as it affected first of all Saudi Arabia itself, then the Gulf states, then elsewhere in the Arab world.

Pure speculation and no evidence given. Of course the Saudis are deeply unhappy with the revolts, most particularly the Bahraini revolt which is much closer to home, but the idea that they are ordering the US about is unreal. What might have been noted was that the Saudis stepped in very quickly to increase oil extraction to compensate from the fall in the Libyan supply. There may well have been some quid pro quo offered by the US that under no circumstances would the revolution be allowed to succeed in any of the Gulf States/Saudi Arabia.
The Bahraini revolution seems to have been seriously driven back with aid of troops from Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

It's not a simple issue of who calls and who answers - there is a serious convergence of interests.
The Arab League backing reeked of a deal from the word go. Cactus mentions quid pro quo.
That I have presumed from the word go is the case but with addition of stacks of quids for the status quo.
Libya provided a good, and arguably legit, wag the dog scenario.

Meanwhile ... it what looks like a page out of the IDF for beginners handbook, it seems the Saudis are destroying Shia mosques in Bahrain.

Israel and Al Qaeda are probably out on the rip together today having a great laugh at their good fortune.

I agree with you Kev.

The African aspect is discussed here

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3AQ7D2cokU"]YouTube - Mission Creep: 'Libya means of reasserting control over Africa'[/ame]

[Lapsedmethodist]

I don't think it's all about banking, but I do think that the economics - the bank - and the oil - come in to it.



The need for the US to get a military force in place where is can strategically split the revolution is, I would have thought, another factor.

The Libyan oil reserves, another.

Also, the US has its own plans for Africa that diverge from Gaddafi's.

Or maybe, just maybe, the Libyan people are finally up to the back teeth with being threatened , tortured, paid with that wonderful " Libyan dinar " (worthless) and want rid of the murdering bastard ?

[C. Flower]

Or maybe, just maybe, the Libyan people are finally up to the back teeth with being threatened , tortured, paid with that wonderful " Libyan dinar " (worthless) and want rid of the murdering bastard ?

Intervention by the western armies for altruistic reasons ?

This isn't a fantasy forum.

[Griska]

Cluster-bomb used in Brega, Libya.
This is truely frightening.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99pIFEpDkp4"]YouTube - NATO Air Strike in Brega Libya Obama Uses Cluster Bombs On Civilians For Humanitarian Purpose[/ame]

[Lapsedmethodist]

Intervention by the western armies for altruistic reasons ?

This isn't a fantasy forum.

If " fantasy" is a substitute word for conspiracy, it f'ing well is. You should be ashamed of yourself consigning people looking for a degree of freedom to the sh1teheap just because the "imperialists' are involved.

[Lapsedmethodist]

Cluster-bomb used in Brega, Libya.
This is truely frightening.

YouTube - NATO Air Strike in Brega Libya Obama Uses Cluster Bombs On Civilians For Humanitarian Purpose

It's not a clusterbomb. And uploading vids from a conspiracy nut isn't going to convince anyone.

[Griska]

It's not a clusterbomb. And uploading vids from a conspiracy nut isn't going to convince anyone.

I'm not a munitions expert, but it looks like how I've heard a cluster bomb described.

You may have a point about the uploader.

[Griska]

The U.S. are now using drones to bomb Libya.

The US is now using armed Predator drones over Libya to help the rebels in their seemingly deadlocked insurgency against the forces of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.

Mr Gates said last night that the unmanned Predators, with their ability to operate with extraordinary accuracy in urban areas, would allow for "some precision capability" against the better-equipped Gaddafi forces

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...i-2272616.html

The drone attacks in Pakistan are hardly winning "minds and hearts", so I cannot envisage this episode being much different, despite Mr. Gates' faith in the "extraordinary accuracy" of these machines.

[Kid Ryder]

This creeping escalation of the Empire's involvement in the Libyan civil war reminds me of that mythical woman who said she was 'a little bit pregnant'. Soon it will be 'boots on the ground' and then NATO will really be 'showing'...

[C. Flower]

If " fantasy" is a substitute word for conspiracy, it f'ing well is. You should be ashamed of yourself consigning people looking for a degree of freedom to the sh1teheap just because the "imperialists' are involved.

The fantasy is your idea that the US, Sarkozy and the UK Tories are rushing into battle to support a social revolution against Gaddafi.

I'm on the side of those people in the anti-Gaddafi movement who have been waving "No to Foreign Intervention" banners at us.

The intervention effectively has put a stop to social revolution and many people who may have supported it before will now be more focused on defending their country from foreign attack.

How cowardly can they get, sending computer operated drones in against this country with its small army, which can't retaliate in kind ?

Of course, it makes the US a target for retaliation and this may well be what is intended, if you want a conspiracy theory. Another 9/11 might suit Obama well right now, with Trade Unions in battle for basic democratic rights and fears over possible US default.

[Munnkeyman]

I'm not a munitions expert, but it looks like how I've heard a cluster bomb described.

You may have a point about the uploader.

Looks like an ammunition dump exploding.
All of those flashes could possibly be anti aircraft rounds
burning off.
A cluster bomb would be more like a blanket of explosives across
a large area.

[Sam Lord]

How cowardly can they get, sending computer operated drones in against this country with its small army, which can't retaliate in kind ?

It is the way warfare is headed .. people will be very detatched apart from those the bombs are falling on. The drones are not computer operated but are flown from a base in the US. The pilots clock in for regular shifts and have coffe breaks, lunch breaks, etc. like a normal job When their shift is over someone else slips into the seat and they go home to go to a PTA meeting or take the kids to their soccer game.