Nuclear energy lobbyists launch new campaign as FG/Lab Coalition takes over

[Munnkeyman]

Is just now good enough for you?

Horiguchi (just South of Fukushima) still doesn't look too healthy this morning, now does it?



Oh, and stay away from dem deadly Kerry spuds!

Read the rest of my original post the same applies.
It really doesn't matter when the reading was taken to be honest,they are both so low that they wouldn't warrant any concern.
The effects of this radiation on humans cannot be measured by a reading such as this, as it would be incorrect to do so.

1. This is an air reading i.e. it is a measure of energy absorbed per unit mass of air.
2. It doesn't have a quality factor for the radiation.
3. It doesn't account for the absorption rate of human tissue.

So how to we convert Air Kerma across an unknown range of Ke(γ) to human equivalent dose???

I hope the above illustrates how ludicrous it is to try to apply units of Grays measured in free space to equivalent dose absorption in humans.

[TotalMayhem]

I hope the above illustrates how ludicrous it is to try to apply units of Grays measured in free space to equivalent dose absorption in humans.

I think it's ludicrous to ignore "units of Grays measured in free space" as an indicator for the danger that radiation poses to humans.

[Munnkeyman]

I think it's ludicrous to ignore "units of Grays measured in free space" as an indicator for the danger that radiation poses to humans.

You don't know that. It is illogical to make assumptions when you don't understand the facts. These readings are still extremely small.

Is it α, β, γ or neutron radiation?
At what energy is this radiation?
From what source is this being measured?
Is it raining?
Are there fires locally?

Without those pieces of information it is useless and unscientific to make assumptions like that.

[TotalMayhem]

You don't know that. It is illogical to make assumptions when you don't understand the facts. These readings are still extremely small.

Let me get this straight: 1400 nanoGray per hour is an extremely small reading in your opinion when normal terrestrial plus cosmic gamma radiation is about 80 nGy/h. Who are you trying to fool here?

[Munnkeyman]

Let me get this straight: 1400 nanoGray per hour is an extremely small reading in your opinion when normal terrestrial plus cosmic gamma radiation is about 80 nGy/h. Who are you trying to fool here?

It isn't just my opinion it is also fact.
Yes it is a very small reading. You do know that snow and rain can increase these readings by large factors. It says that on the website.
If you can't answer the questions posed in my last post, then I'll say it again, that information is useless.
Unless you can prove otherwise with real facts, I'd suggest you leave it there.

Even if you were to, falsely I might add, convert Grays to Sieverts it is still 1.4uSv/h which is of absolutely no impact to health.


As I said already, I've eaten a 100 million times that dosage in Grays in a spud.

[Kev Bar]

Well, whether it is open to scientific dispute or not, when the IAEA tell you there is a "very serious" nuclear problem...it's time for me to head to the shelters.
Even if I have to sing as I go
Show me the way to the next nuclear shelter.
Oh I don't know why

[whydontwe]

It's an evolving situation as we speak....but, speaking as a non-nuclear expert; it seems logical to err on the side of caution...since even a multitude of 'experts' won't agree on safety re nuclear plants...then shouldn't it be obvious not to forge ahead in the future with projects that are clearly not infinitely safe...since failure is so devastating??

[Munnkeyman]

For my tinfoil hat I'm using 6.35 Micron Aluminium Foil, with the following properties;

• Specific gravity 2.7
• Weight At 6.35 µm ,17.2 g/m2
• Melting point 660°C
• Electrical conductivity 37.67 m/mm2d (64.94% IACS)
• Electrical resistivity 2.65 µΩ.cm
• Thermal conductivity 235 W/m.K

Ok so if I use two layers of foil,
Can anyone tell me how many Nana Mouskouris per hour that would protect me from?

[C. Flower]

Two Japanese workers died in recent years after mixing uranium in a bucket, so that fuel could be reused. Homer Simpson wouldn't have done it.

It doesnt matter how good the safety systems are. The lesson of Chernobyl is that somebody will come along and turn them off.

[Sidewinder]

It doesnt matter how good the safety systems are. The lesson of Chernobyl is that somebody will come along and turn them off.

After 15 years in IT I can tell you that any system that is initially designed to be secure and to force idiots to do things properly almost always gets changed within weeks of going live, as howling management morons demand that various loopholes and back doors be installed so that they don't have to follow procedures. Rules and procedures are only for the peasantry, you see.

A fair chunk of any programmers time is spent dismantling safety/security features and then manually cleaning up the mess caused as idiots run amok. It's depressing. And why, in the real world, e-voting and nuclear power are just bad ideas. Far too much scope for idiocy and corruption, with catastrophic consequences when they, inevitably, combine.

[Dr. FIVE]

madness

http://xkcd.com/radiation/

[PaddyJoe]

The BENE roadshow continued last night in UCC Cork with Philip Walton describing nuclear power as an “incredibly safe” technology.

PRO-NUCLEAR lobbyists are witnessing a notable change in public attitudes to nuclear power as a viable option for Ireland’s energy supply, an audience in Cork heard last night.
The change in public opinion is reflected in a worldwide renaissance in nuclear power, according to Phillip Walton, professor of applied physics at the National University of Ireland, Galway.

I wonder how many people turn up for these meetings and if there any tricky questions from the floor.
This IT report sounds exactly like a press release from BENE
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...292956037.html

[PaddyJoe]

BENE are back in the IT today after an 18 month absence following Fukushima. BENE member David Robert Grimes has an opinion piece in today's Irish Times but curiously enough the potted bio omits the fact that he is a member even though he refers to the lobbying organisaton in the body of the article.
Careless
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...322134737.html

[DCon]

Seems the British thought that chucking nuclear waste into the Sea would take care of it. Are we to assume there was none chucked into the Irish Sea?

German journalists have discovered barrels of radioactive waste on the floor of the English Channel, just a handful of thousands dumped there decades ago. It was previously thought the material had dissipated. Now politicians are calling for the removal of the potentially harmful containers.

Some 28,500 containers of radioactive waste were dropped into the English Channel between 1950 and 1963. Experts have assumed that the containers had long since rusted open, spreading the radioactivity throughout the ocean and thus rendering it innocuous. But a new investigative report from the joint French-German public broadcaster ARTE has concluded that the waste is still intact at the bottom of the sea.

In response to the discovery, members of Germany's environmentalist Green Party have called for the barrels to be removed from the channel, SWR reports. "I believe that at such shallow depths these barrels pose a high potential for danger," Green Party parliamentarian and nuclear policy spokesperson Sylvia Kotting-Uhl told the broadcaster. "And it's not for nothing that dumping in the ocean has been forbidden for 20 years."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-893991.html