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    never mind varadker and covney they should pick mitchell oconnor for the laugh.... and it would keep her from drivin as well....

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    Looks like Leo. All one can say he could be better than Coveney.

    But, we are in for a (short??) period of extreme Irish style right wing politics. More of the same, roll on the revolution, with three parties contending maybe we will get some relief?

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    Varadkar's policy announcement leaves no room for doubt that he will lead a right-wing backlash against public services and the welfare state.

    The most worrying part of that is it will probably work. I predict a FG victory in an election later this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    Varadkar's policy announcement leaves no room for doubt that he will lead a right-wing backlash against public services and the welfare state.

    Agreed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    The most worrying part of that is it will probably work. I predict a FG victory in an election later this year.
    What do you base that view on? The long term trend for FF/FG/Labour shows a long term declining trend.

    I see no public appetite for far right Thatcherite Tory politics.

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    You almost want it to be Varadkar just so he can be kicked out of office when the next election rolls around.

    If Enda Kenny's tax cut/keep the recovery going was too rightwing for most Irish people (66% of those who voted), they ain't seen nothing yet.

    I predict this fella will be 10 times as unpopular as Kenny outside his middle class Dublin base. FG will lose at least 10 more seats and that will be the end of Leo.

    Varadkar though is far more dangerous to the lives of ordinary people than any other major politician atm. It really could be Ireland's Thatcher moment if we are not careful. Luckily he hasn't got much of a leg to stand on in office atm and we have a chance with an election within the next 6-12 months I would say.

    You would think someone from a gay and immigrant background would be less rightwing, not more rightwing than the typical FGer. What a smug prick. He doesn't even need to be in O' Brien's pocket as his policies will benefit the likes of D.O.B. et al anyways.
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    Who are the so-called Independents rooting for ?

    If there was a general election called, what would the result be ?
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    If Varadkar tries the "essential services" = no strikes trick he will get a kick up the hole. However, the result of the GE will be a deckchairs on the Titanic event, FF depending on FG and/or SF to govern. In a no strikes scenario SF will do well.

    Certainly Leo will move even more right than now, but it is hard to see whether he can generate more FG support from it. Even if he waits until after Brexit, he will have problems, probably even more problems. He can only improve if he dishes out money, but the EC controls that.

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    There is a huge appetite out there for anti-union, anti-welfare politics. I think the left are in imminent danger of being caught on the hop. Complacent dismissal of Vlad's policies as a niche product would be a disastrous mistake.

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    In case anyone was wondering who would bethe first to play the gay card it was Jimmy Reilly

    I wonder if Jimmy would have similar concerns about a straight person without children


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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    In case anyone was wondering who would bethe first to play the gay card it was Jimmy Reilly

    I wonder if Jimmy would have similar concerns about a straight person without children
    You're excluding Coveney's "Leo looks good in lycra" comment ?
    http://extra.ie/news/irish-news/fine...husting-dublin
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Looks like Leo. All one can say he could be better than Coveney.

    But, we are in for a (short??) period of extreme Irish style right wing politics. More of the same, roll on the revolution, with three parties contending maybe we will get some relief?
    Better at what? Being a far right scumbag?

    If so, I agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    If Varadkar tries the "essential services" = no strikes trick he will get a kick up the hole. However, the result of the GE will be a deckchairs on the Titanic event, FF depending on FG and/or SF to govern. In a no strikes scenario SF will do well.

    Certainly Leo will move even more right than now, but it is hard to see whether he can generate more FG support from it. Even if he waits until after Brexit, he will have problems, probably even more problems. He can only improve if he dishes out money, but the EC controls that.
    Yeah it's all about getting his hole into the Dept. of the Taoiseach and anything after that is secondary for the time being.

    FF are pure electoral cowards these days as well as anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    There is a huge appetite out there for anti-union, anti-welfare politics. I think the left are in imminent danger of being caught on the hop. Complacent dismissal of Vlad's policies as a niche product would be a disastrous mistake.
    Maybe in the Dublin circles you swim in, but visit any major provincial town dependent on the welfare state to survive and you will get a very different electorate. Of course I am not talking about red neck counties like Mayo and Meath, but border counties, commuter belt counties, and the larger provincial towns, cities and their environs.

    In fact, even in Dublin FG politics are not that popular anymore...

    Let's compare unemployment(including youth unemployment) in Drogheda, Dundalk or Wexford town to Dublin though and you get my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    In case anyone was wondering who would bethe first to play the gay card it was Jimmy Reilly

    I wonder if Jimmy would have similar concerns about a straight person without children
    Giant who cares. The only question here is who would be more dangerous and eager to prey on the poor and the ordinary workers-Varadkar is by far the worst choice here. Coveney at least has to pretend to be in touch and human due to the farming and lower middle class worker vote in even his own constituency. Varadkar is more immune to that and is more ideologically driven.

    If Thatcher was a lesbian it would not have changed the fact that she was Thatcher.

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    Heard on the BBC - "Ireland about to have a half Indian gay prime minister"

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