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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    Oh please...

    I'm talking about a constellation of a possible majority. The 'ragbag' Commies will have no chance to get anywhere near power when Labour is eradicated.
    Can I borrow your crystal ball for the 4.30 at Gowran Park ?

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    You don't need a crystal ball for this prediction, without Labour, FG would rely on FF support (who have already offered it). With Labour, FF can sit back as leaders of the "opposition", watch the government disintegrating and return to power. There is no hope that FG will get us out of this mess (with Labour or FF support) and in the next election FG will be shrunk accordingly and Labour wiped out completely by the electorate, just like FF and the Green Party in the last election. Politics is a waiting game.

    By joining FG on this ride, Labour will forfeit all hope for wielding real power in this country, ever.
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    30,000 job losses and the whole lot ?

    Labour are toast.
    Both the national interest and the Lab interest coincide here and both demand that Lab stay out of government.

    It is not in the national interest to have FG dominating government for the next four and a half years under a closeauesque leader and with destructive figures in important ministries.

    For Lab it's trading long term consolidation and growth for short term advantage to its more venerable TDs. As the largest opposition party they could position themselves to take over from FG at the next GE but as the mudguard party in coalition they stand to slip back to third place instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Both the national interest and the Lab interest coincide here and both demand that Lab stay out of government.

    It is not in the national interest to have FG dominating government for the next four and a half years under a closeauesque leader and with destructive figures in important ministries.

    For Lab it's trading long term consolidation and growth for short term advantage to its more venerable TDs. As the largest opposition party they could position themselves to take over from FG at the next GE but as the mudguard party in coalition they stand to slip back to third place instead.
    I find it very hard to envisage Labour resisting the siren call of "power" and prestige.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    I find it very hard to envisage Labour resisting the siren call of "power" and prestige.
    If they're rolling over on major issues and they concede Finance to FG then they'll be like the Greens in the last Dail and have office but no power.

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    Jimmy Kelly of UNITE speaking out against coalition.

    It seems likely that Labour will make a deal with Fine Gael before Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Jimmy Kelly of UNITE speaking out against coalition.

    It seems likely that Labour will make a deal with Fine Gael before Sunday.
    The Government of Default in place so soon? I suppose they're eager to get on with it and 'make some history'.
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    Proinsias de Rossa is warning against coalition.

    Pressure is on

    I've just emailed [email protected] to warn them against going the way of the Greens. Why don't you? #fighttheFGLab

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    Done deal according to twitter.

    sigh

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    The Independent (Jody Corcoran) - says that the coalition deal will follow the 4 year plan, with a few tweaks.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/voter-betrayal-fglabour-to-ditch-pledges-on-economy-2567686.html

    The Fine Gael/Labour coalition Government is to implement in detail the outgoing Government's four-year austerity plan as approved by the EU-IMF, the Sunday Independent can reveal.
    In what will amount to the most barefaced breach of election promises ever perpetrated by an incoming Government, the coalition partners' programme for government will cause uproar when it is published today.
    While an attempt will be made to dress up the programme as a new plan by a new Government, when it is analysed it will be seen for what it is -- the continuation of the economic policies of Fianna Fail and the Greens, virtually in minute detail, as laid down by the EU-IMF.
    If anything, Fine Gael will be seen to have capitulated more as it is handing over responsibility for reform of the public sector to Labour, whose core support is drawn from the public sector.
    The programme envisages no more than 22,000 voluntary redundancies in the public sector, a long way short of Fine Gael's election promise to reduce the numbers employed by 30,000.
    Fine Gael is expected to defend this U-turn by stating that 2,500 voluntary redundancies have already taken place in the public sector since January 2010.
    However, the Fine Gael decision to hand reform of the public sector to Labour will provoke fury among many Fine Gael TDs, and cause uproar among the huge numbers who voted for Fine Gael.
    Furthermore, it reduces the Government's chances of re-negotiating the EU-IMF bailout since our public spending excess is seen as a chronic problem in Europe.
    The new Government will place heavy emphasis on its intention to renegotiate the bailout plan, as imposed on the outgoing Government, but the possibility of such a renegotiation is at least two, maybe three years away.
    The omens are not good in this regard as the incoming Taoiseach, Enda Kenny, has already prepared the ground to pull back from his demand for "haircuts" on senior bank debt, saying other ways must be found to cut the cost of Ireland's bank bailout if losses are not imposed on bondholders.
    "There is no way we are going to survive as a country unless we successfully renegotiate the EU-IMF deal," a senior Fine Gael source, familiar with the negotiations to form a Government, told the Sunday Independent yesterday.
    The new Government will cite briefings on the dire state of the economy, and the banks to explain its decision to slip into the straitjacket imposed by the EU-IMF, just vacated by Fianna Fail and the Greens.
    Yesterday, however, a well-placed Fine Gael source did not even attempt to disguise the fact that the new programme for government represents a rip-off of the outgoing Government's four-year plan as signed off on by the EU-IMF.
    "Yes, we are going to have to stick with the four-year plan, at least for two or three years, and maybe even go further and deeper than the austerity measures envisaged in that plan," he said. "There is no getting away from that. I cannot deny it.

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    Shane Ross reckons the "hard negotiations" are a sham


    "Big Phil Hogan, Pat Rabbitte, Michael Noonan and Brendan Howlin have been playing bridge for three nights in a row to relieve the boredom," responded an Independent TD.

    Of course the negotiators felt compelled to paint a fraught atmosphere at the ultra-smooth Fine Gael/ Labour talks. Word kept leaking about the "difficulties". The tangible harmony inside the Sycamore Room in Government Buildings could cause unease among party foot soldiers. The faithful, watching from the sidelines, expected skin and hair to be flying by now as the two teams traded long treasured principles.

    Not this hardened bunch. They threw them out the window into Merrion Street on day one.

    Well-placed whispers to the media revealed a few titbits. The Irish Times obligingly helped to convey an atmosphere of conflict with Friday's strap line that "Tensions over the Finance post threatened to derail process".

    No one really doubted that Fine Gael's Michael Noonan would win the plumb portfolio, but as there was never the remotest danger of the horse-trading breaking down on matters of policy, a row over the cabinet posts was the only good yarn.
    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/co...d-2567760.html
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    job done

    I am very pleased that Fine Gael and Labour have reached agreement on a Programme for Government and I was privileged to have been part of the Labour Party's team at the negotiations on the Programme. Picture shows both parties' full teams at 1.30 am on Sunday 6 March 2011 following final agreement on the text. The Labour team was as follows: Negotiators: Brendan Howlin TD (Head of delegation), Joan Burton TD, Pat Rabbitte TD, Dr Colm O'Reardon. Backup team: Jean O'Mahony, Finbarr O'Malley and myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Shane Ross reckons the "hard negotiations" are a sham




    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/co...d-2567760.html
    The fact that Gilmore didn't raise renegotiation of the IMF/EU deal at the EU Socialist Group meeting at the weekend, says it all to me.

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showpo...50&postcount=7
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