Peak oil - at last!!!

[Theresa]

Sense at last! To me it is as though someone has just brought the elephant out of the shadow in the corner.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/49190315/O...ource:facebook

I once sat on a course for reps on development boards dealing with council staff and councillors etc. A fact was imparted upon us that if you want something raised, something unpopular, which may mean change or work, or something controversial, get an outgoing councillor to raise it. S/he doesn't need to lick up to the council staff anymore to get the jobs done for the voters and s/he doesn't need to worry about breaking the bad news to the voters. (A major flaw in our populist system!) I sensed an air of this attitude when I heard about the greens proposal for an oil free Ireland in 20 years.

I wondered if they were going to pussy foot around the usual "avoid the terminology" approach. If they would mention energy security. How would they explain the reality of peak oil without using the term? I anticipated a half hearted attempt to propose green energy without mentioning peak oil or energy security. I was wrong! I wondered if it is that they know they are on the way out so why not break the bad news - open some eyes to the real challenges ahead.

However having read it I am just so delighted that someone has raised the issue (some warts but not all) I want them in government to implement this plan!!!!! It is crucial to economic stability.

[morticia]

Couldn't get anything other than blank pages when I clicked on this; am I missing something??

[Sam Lord]

Couldn't get anything other than blank pages when I clicked on this; am I missing something??

I'm getting linked to a Green Party document.

[TotalMayhem]

I'm getting linked to a Green Party document.

That would be the major flaw in our populist system.

[Theresa]

http://www.greenparty.ie/news/latest...y_2030_gormley

That would be the brief on the press release - just a little more info.

[TotalMayhem]

Ireland can be oil free by 2030 - Gormley

Ireland can be Gormley-free by next week - the electorate

[Theresa]

It could be but we will still be dependent on a fuel source that has to travel a long way, getting more expensive by the day and originates in an area of increased geopolitical instability.

At least Gormley is making a long term commitment while the short sighted old faithfuls are still focused on their constituency cares, 2014, the IMF/EU, political reform (Ha ha ha) unconscious of the effect peak oil will have on our children - not to mention climate change, from our years of belching out the by products of our oil age.

[TotalMayhem]

At least Gormley is making a long term commitment while the short sighted old faithfuls are still focused on their constituency cares

The idiot couldn't even abolish corporate donations, you think he'd be up to a task of such grave economic implications? I mean, we're not talking about stag hunting here... Irish politics is far better of without this moron being anywhere near the levers of power.

[charley]

It could be but we will still be dependent on a fuel source that has to travel a long way, getting more expensive by the day and originates in an area of increased geopolitical instability.

At least Gormley is making a long term commitment while the short sighted old faithfuls are still focused on their constituency cares, 2014, the IMF/EU, political reform (Ha ha ha) unconscious of the effect peak oil will have on our children - not to mention climate change, from our years of belching out the by products of our oil age.

Oil comes from a lot more places than the middle east, The North sea has been fairly peaceful since 1945 as far as I know and Norway isn't that far away in the scale of things. The Chinese will soon figure a way of extracting it from shale same as gas anyway.
Wishing for climate change seems to be the Green way of life,wanting flooding and disasters,a death cult mentality prevades all Green issues,shouting at the moon claiming a shift in temperature in Greenland will wipe up all out ,forgetting to mention that that shift would have to be in the order of 25 degrees which would make it likely that a huge amount of the earth would be scorched at that stage.
I think you've been wathing too many episodes of Duncan Stewart's 'Ecoeye' which was funded by the EPA and Gormley's former department,such a collection of misinformation and pseudo-science masquerading as fact .

[Theresa]

and you have your degree in science fiction from where exactly Charley?

I'm not getting into a climate change debate.When you take the time to actually read up on the facts of it - I advise some junior cert CSPE books - you may actually get over your need to tar everything green and learn to appreciate the planet that supports you and yours.

As for oil discovery, well there's more to find no doubt but not anything like the scale to date.



Again school books will guide you on oil, leaving cert this time though. Geography and science. Some geography books have updated to estimate oil will run out within 50-100 years. The real problem is we will not be able to afford it as it has shifted from a buyers market to a sellers market.

[ModestMouse]

..... Some geography books have updated to estimate oil will run out within 50-100 years. The real problem is we will not be able to afford it as it has shifted from a buyers market to a sellers market.

I think a bigger problem is brainwashing our children into the Green Cult by portraying opinion as fact.

[charley]

and you have your degree in science fiction from where exactly Charley?

I'm not getting into a climate change debate.When you take the time to actually read up on the facts of it - I advise some junior cert CSPE books - you may actually get over your need to tar everything green and learn to appreciate the planet that supports you and yours.

As for oil discovery, well there's more to find no doubt but not anything like the scale to date.



Again school books will guide you on oil, leaving cert this time though. Geography and science. Some geography books have updated to estimate oil will run out within 50-100 years. The real problem is we will not be able to afford it as it has shifted from a buyers market to a sellers market.

Theresa ,wee pet ,being condescending dosen't really suit you,
Gormley makes statements about being oil free with no viable replacements for it. Agricultural vehicles and heavy trucks will never be electrically powered and industry requires heavy oil to power the steam boilers that are necessary for almost all food processing,how did you think they pastuerised milk, electricity cannot provide the consistant heat required for such operations.
Bio-diesel now seems to have died a death and going by Gormley's mate Duncan Ireland will have to stop growing food and rearing animals to meet EU certification for 2050 .We're going to look right wallies sitting in the dark eating overpriced imported food waiting on our social welfare cheque from Berlin in 2050 but shure our CO2 emissions will be zero so everthing will be fine.
Gormley and the Greens are Arthur C Clark,Gene Rodenberry and Dan O Bannon rolled into one .
Simple question, which serves the oil companies shareholders the most, that oil is getting scarce and so demands a premium price or there is sufficient oil for 100 plus years

[charley]

But Gormley and his ilk don't want a replacement they just want the cessation of all activities that their view create emissions,the Green party election literature even takes credit for the emissions drop caused by the recession.The Green party is full of people who have never been short of money in their lives who think that taxing the poor to satisfy some hippie ideal is progress

[charley]

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...5/7152354.html

[TotalMayhem]

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...5/7152354.html

Not quite true:

The German Messerschmitt Me 262, the world's first operational jet-powered fighter aircraft, used a medium weight hydrocarbon fuel similar to diesel fuel. The fuel was a synthetic made from coal by the Fischer-Tropsch process where the coal was first converted to a mix of Carbon monoxide and Hydrogen by blasting steam into red hot coal bed.