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    Default Re: Dermot Desmond Tells Us How to Run the Country

    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe McGillycuddy View Post
    They must be salivating at the thought of FG single party government.
    I'll post the link when it goes online.
    I wonder do either FF or, more likely, the Labour party or anyone else have the cojones to put that up as one of their "vote us" pitches??

    Would work for the more left wing parties especially.

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    Dermot Desmond IFSC firm is sitting on losses of €9.5m IFSC

    http://www.independent.ie/business/i...c-2462577.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe McGillycuddy View Post
    I see that there's a short piece on the front page of the SBP which says that a group comprising Dennis O'Brien, Leslie Buckley, John Bruton, and Peter Sutherland along with some other notables has been meeting in recent weeks to formulate plans for political reform and economic recovery.
    They must be salivating at the thought of FG single party government.
    A group of over 20 of Ireland’s most influential and wealthy people have contributed to a proposal for radical economic and political change for the country.

    Telecoms entrepreneur Denis O’Brien, former taoiseach John Bruton, former European Commissioner Peter Sutherland, businessman Philip Lynch and former Bank of Ireland chief executive Michael Soden are all understood to have attended meetings to exchange ideas for the document known as the ‘‘Blueprint for Recovery’’.

    Former president of the European Parliament Pat Cox, former EU Commissioner Ray MacSharry, Glen Dimplex chief executive Sean O’Driscoll, Angela Kerins of Rehab and Denis O’Brien’s business partner, Leslie Buckley, also attended meetings of the informal grouping called ‘Ireland First’. Dermot Desmond was also involved in this group, and his political proposals were published in the media yesterday.
    http://www.sbpost.ie/news/influentia...ery-54531.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe McGillycuddy View Post
    Shall we merge this thread with the "Who will be our Hitler" one ?

    This warrants some very careful attention. FG will lap this stuff up.

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    The 'Ireland' they speak of is a different Ireland to the one the rest of the country wants to see.

    Its a bit like the royal 'we' used by Fianna Failers.
    Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.

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    Meehawl has adopted Desmond's proposal that Minister's give up their Dail seats.

    No doubt they will then automatically be in the next Dail..

    The current system can also directly impact on the work of government. Whose interest does it serve to have ministers running back to Dublin from important negotiations because there’s a fight in the Dáil about when votes will be scheduled? Equally, whose interest does it serve that ministers are prevented from doing official business in order to sit silently waiting for votes?

    The current system also does something else more fundamental, it limits the range of talent which can be drawn upon in the formation of a government. Democratic legitimacy is not about the personal mandate of an individual minister – it’s about the mandate of the government and the ability of parliament to hold ministers to account.

    In order to ensure that the Dáil’s work is strengthened and that Ministers are more focused solely on their work as ministers we are proposing that they not serve as members of the Dáil and government at the same time.

    In order to ensure that we draw on the fullest range of possible expertise in forming governments we are proposing that membership not be limited to members of the Oireachtas.

    The Council of Ministers is full of people who are not members of parliament but have been ratified by parliaments and who are subject to the full range of parliamentary accountability. To give just one example from my time serving as Minister of Foreign Affairs, one of my closest working relationships was with Bernard Kouchner who was the French minister for most of the time. Bernard is respected throughout the world for his humanitarian work, his understanding of international issues and his sincerity. He was never a parliamentarian and he was, in fact, a member of the main opposition party in France.

    We will have real reform of parliament and government only when we are willing to rethink key structures which have been in place for most of our history as an independent state. We will have real reform of politics only when we are willing to move beyond gimmicks about numbers and costs and focus and implement measures to make the Dáil more representative and government more expert and accountable.
    http://election.fiannafail.ie/news/e...orm-proposals/
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    good article here from Politico on Friday by Mary Gilmartin. Well done Mary

    The boys are back in town... for 182 days of the year at most

    http://politico.ie/index.php?option=...am&Itemid=1066
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    Tycoons' group unhappy at leak of reform plan
    Desmond among elite aiming to assist society

    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...n-2548115.html
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    IT reports tomorrow(Tuesday) that this group has submitted a document called a Blueprint for Recovery to the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe McGillycuddy View Post
    IT reports tomorrow(Tuesday) that this group has submitted a document called a Blueprint for Recovery to the government.
    Return to Sender with a Thanks but No Thanks Attached.

    With an NB stating Irish Taxpayers/Citizens will decide the best way forward.

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    The list of participants read like a list of possible perps...

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    Link to the story is up:
    A spokesman for the group had no comment. “The contents of the report are private until such time as there is engagement with the Government on it,” he said.
    The group recommends that the Government go further than the cuts in public spending suggested by economist Colm McCarthy in his “Bord Snip Nua” report.
    The public sector should be reduced by about 30,000 jobs and the social welfare system should also be reformed, the report says.
    A new minister for competitiveness should ensure that targets are met on public sector reform while electoral and public sector reform should be monitored with regular progress reports.
    More than 200,000 jobs can be created, the group argues, by developing five sectors – manufacturing, tourism, agriculture, life sciences and information and communications technology.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...292164700.html

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    Blueprint for maintaining the status quo and moving swiftly along

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    I notice Philip Lynch who co chaired the group also features on the business pages due to his battle with AIB over unpaid loans of 25 million for land in Waterford now worth 4 million.
    The 86 acres at Kilbarry are now said to be valued at about €4 million and the Lynch family has brought proceedings against AIB and two firms of solicitors aimed at preventing the bank pursuing them for €25.3 million judgment orders.
    The proceedings arise from an alleged co-ownership and profit agreement between developer Gerard Conlan and the Lynchs in relation to the purchase of lands.
    The Lynch family claim they entered the deal on the basis AIB’s recourse was confined to the lands at Waterford. They also claim that, between LK Shields Solicitors, as their solicitors, and Matheson Ormsby Prentice Solicitors, representing Mr Conlan, they were collectively led to believe they were signing up to a deal which would involve AIB having recourse only to the lands. The defendants deny the family’s claims against them.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...291979828.html

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    Default Re: Did JP and the other Irish oligarchs influence the decision on the 2008 blanket Guarantee?

    he should be sent off by cattle carriage train to a re-education camp in the remote west - no heat, minimal rations + hard labour.

    or is that too good for him ??

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    Dermot Desmond would want to watch himself. His fingerprints are showing up in too many places associated with 'unregulated' investment.

    As I've said before some people who have a knack for making money are not necessarily intelligent but just assume they are because they can make a lot of money by using influence born out of their first fortune.

    As a political beast he was a primary mover with Bertie Ahern in taking Haughey's attempts at setting up the IFSC and turning it into a money laundering centre with regulation the responsibility of hopelessly overpromoted gobshytes like Patrick Neary.

    There seems to be an arrogance associated with those who make money out of an 'influence corner' that makes them think they are invulnerable and above the law.

    His name keeps popping up in odd places over the last 20 years and none of the references would indicate any interest in democracy. He never appears anywhere where he could be asked any awkward questions either.

    Another pennylicker extraordinaire with the notion that he has wisdom rather than a feral love of money and hangs around only with people whose self esteem is measured in the number of noughts after their 'wealth rating'.

    Riverboat gambler with an eye on corrupting the local mayor in a small town on a bend in the river.

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