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    Well knock me down with a feather. Looks like the our old friend Dermot Desmond has decided that Ireland could do with less of this democracy stuff and that people from outside the Dail should be appointed as ministers. I wonder does he have anybody in particular in mind?
    ONE OF Ireland’s wealthiest businessmen, Dermot Desmond, has circulated a detailed plan for political reform to leading figures in business and political life.
    “Ireland First: Political Reform – Effective and Efficient Government” proposes radical changes in the electoral system and the way government works.
    Many of the proposals in the document, which was circulated on February 1st, were also contained in the Fianna Fáil election manifesto launched last Monday.
    Mr Desmond, the chairman of International Investment and Underwriting, was the inspiration behind the creation of the International Financial Services Centre in Dublin. His document says there is a lack of competence in government, the Dáil is failing to fulfil its basic functions, the Seanad is irrelevant and the electoral system encourages TDs to behave like county councillors, while county councillors have little control over local decisions.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...289636036.html
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    If the Dáil cannot protect us from the likes of Dermot Desmond and this gang of treasonous crooks, then it is indeed failing to fulfill is basic functions. Let's do away with it.
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    One of the most radical suggestions is that ministers should no longer be constituency representatives but should resign their Dáil seats on appointment to the cabinet. Rather than have “messy byelections”, each minister would be allowed nominate substitutes, whose names would be on the ballot paper at a general election.

    Don't like the sound of that and the subtle sound of "co-opting"

    Furthermore, detailed proposals as to what is going to happen re Local Government needs to be put in place - that area requires radical reform ... Cllrs should be responsible for regional issues with no interference from TDs

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    Dermot Desmond would want to watch himself. His fingerprints are showing up in too many places associated with 'unregulated' investment.

    As I've said before some people who have a knack for making money are not necessarily intelligent but just assume they are because they can make a lot of money by using influence born out of their first fortune.

    As a political beast he was a primary mover with Bertie Ahern in taking Haughey's attempts at setting up the IFSC and turning it into a money laundering centre with regulation the responsibility of hopelessly overpromoted gobshytes like Patrick Neary.

    There seems to be an arrogance associated with those who make money out of an 'influence corner' that makes them think they are invulnerable and above the law.

    His name keeps popping up in odd places over the last 20 years and none of the references would indicate any interest in democracy. He never appears anywhere where he could be asked any awkward questions either.

    Another pennylicker extraordinaire with the notion that he has wisdom rather than a feral love of money and hangs around only with people whose self esteem is measured in the number of noughts after their 'wealth rating'.

    Riverboat gambler with an eye on corrupting the local mayor in a small town on a bend in the river.
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    Default Re: Did JP and the other Irish oligarchs influence the decision on the 2008 blanket Guarantee?

    I think this is worth a new thread, with a link back to this one in the first post. Anyone feel like doing the deed ?

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/....html?digest=1


    Why doesn't this guy just come out with it and propose abolition of the Dail and elections altogether?

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    He's doing what he usually does and no doubt what he did with Lendahand on the night of the guarantee... proposing a Trojan Horse solution which means he and his pals get increased influence in order to do the one thing he is really only interested in- make more noughts for the bank account.

    Looking through his proposed reforms he's either concerned about the democratic deficit in Ireland or looking to insert himself in any reform agenda. I know, like Dermot, which of the two possibilities my money is on.

    Let him call a public meeting instead of circulating reform agendas among 'leading business figures'. Its 'leading business figures' and their mates in Fianna Fail who have stolen a third of the country's GDP.
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    There's a link here to our thread on Dermot Desmond and other Irish Oligarchs, and their role in the Bank Guarantee....

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=6048


    If DD wants more Freedom of Information, perhaps he would start by clarifying if he had any direct or indirect interests in the Banks covered by the Guarantee, and exactly what is role or intervention was in relation to the Guarantee and other related measures before or since..

    Any reply, Mr. Desmond ?

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    For anyone interested in the motivation of Dermot Desmond I would absolutely recommend this short and highly relevant profile on Desmond from April of last year. Notable excerpts from which certain conclusions can be drawn on the subject of Desmond's personal commitment to even the theory of democracy can be seen;

    'In 2004, Desmond said that he was not interested in what the majority say: “We’ve got to realise that the majority doesn’t succeed.”'

    Straight out of the sociopathic thatcherite handbook.

    and on a personal note as to what drives Dermot Desmond;

    'Almost a decade ago, a journalist who criticised Desmond got a personal letter, with a poem included. The verse was entitled Still I Rise. And as others falter, still he does.'

    'Still I Rise'. The ego having taken flight refuses to fly in company with others.

    “His charisma doesn’t extend to large groups,” said an associate. “He’s better in the boardroom or at the dining table. Definitely in small groups.”

    Another one whose self-esteem is inextricably tied in with his own wealth-rating.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7107101.ece
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    Hope Kenny gets rid of all the Quangos we have enough Mafia in the country, and keeps the gansters well away from Statr business

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    I'm told there is a commitment somewhere on record that Kenny and Fine Gael have said that all recent Fianna Fail appointments to quangos will be asked to resign within six months of an election result which puts Fine Gael in power.

    Thats not strong enough in my opinion. And I remain deeply suspicious of McCarthy's 'Snip Nua' list of quangos scheduled for demolition. He seems to have only described 10% of the 800 or so quangos in existence.

    Clearly the political establishment requires some assistance with this element of essential cost savings.

    Which reminds me- on to the HSE on the Quango Hammer thread this weekend.
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    Direct rule by the business/property class. Desmond would like that all right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Binn Beal View Post
    Direct rule by the business/property class. Desmond would like that all right.
    It's what they had when BIFFO and Bertie ran things

    Just look how proud BIFFO is below. He looks like a dog who just got a pat on the head and a biscuit



    And remember that Ronan and Barrett built the DCC for a lot more cash than the losing quote. Conveniently their bid was just below the maximum but their plans were "nicer" and "niceness" had a big weighting in the tender. One would almost think that they knew the tender criteria in advance..
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    That Mr. Desmond can utter this $hite and have it printed by The Sheeple's Daily is effectively proof that his 'proposals' are in fact how Oireland Inc. is governed.

    Thanks Dermo for being so indiscreet. Once again.
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    Could we suggest to Mr Desmond that if he would like more influence, perhaps he should go stand for the Dail elections like everyone else?? No-one should be above the rules.

    'Twould be interesting to see how many would vote for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by morticia View Post
    Could we suggest to Mr Desmond that if he would like more influence, perhaps he should go stand for the Dail elections like everyone else?? No-one should be above the rules.

    'Twould be interesting to see how many would vote for him
    That'd be equivalent to a demotion for him. Why would he want to be his own messenger boy?
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