Undercover cops posing as environmental activists in England. What about Ireland? (Merged With Lawrence /Stone Thread)

[C. Flower]

Packed courthouse I'd say.



Being the employer of someone who lies to get a shag is hardly a crime either.

Not unless it's a part of their paid duties.

[Griska]

Any idea what the grounds for their legal complaint is?

Someone lying to get a shag may not be the most noble conduct but if it was illegal the courts would deal with little else.

The legal complaint centres around consent.
If somebody gives consent to sex with an undercover officer, are they actually giving consent at all?
Tricky one.

[Griska]

Any idea what the grounds for their legal complaint is?

Someone lying to get a shag may not be the most noble conduct but if it was illegal the courts would deal with little else.

The legal complaint centres around consent.
If somebody gives consent to sex with an undercover officer, are they actually giving consent at all?
Tricky one.

[Baron von Biffo]

Not unless it's a part of their paid duties.

If it is I'm off to Templemore in the morning.

[Baron von Biffo]

The legal complaint centres around consent.
If somebody gives consent to sex with an undercover officer, are they actually giving consent at all?
Tricky one.

What if someone claimed to be an undercover cop to gain consent? Or a doctor or a millionaire? Or unmarried?

Every night guys embellish their CVs to get themselves a bedmate. Hard to see a court saying anything other than Caveat shagger.

[C. Flower]

Very interesting article on how Mark Stone's activities in Iceland in 2005 have led to proposed legislation to restrict police spying on people unless they have reason to suspect criminal activity leading to a sentence of 4 years or more.

http://www.savingiceland.org/2012/05...-and-tomorrow/

Ireland is mentioned in passing.

Stone passed information to the Icelandic police and worked with their knowledge.

So far as I know, there has been no response from the Irish government on whether or not Stone worked with their knowledge, and whether he passed on information to them.

[fluffybiscuits]

Apparently some people arrested for protesting could have their convictions quashed if they challenge their convictions. Some info was not fully disclosed however. More here

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ge-convictions

[C. Flower]

Mark Stone / Kennedy has been emerging from some obscure corners of the "security" business, in the US and elsewhere.

The tears over his deceptive past were all of course crocodile.

http://www.indymedia.org.nz/article/...dys-new-career

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-security-firm

Followed on Deep Politics -

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums...cateurs/page14

Stone's case shows that U.K. police act as agents provocateurs and do so in a range of different countries.

Stone operated in Ireland and there has never been a peep out of the Irish Government about it.

[C. Flower]

How many people have been wrongly convicted as a result of Stone and his colleagues 'work' ?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/robevans

5 Jul 2012: Police and prosecutors are coming under more pressure over the secret activities of undercover police officers

Mark Kennedy controversy: activists invited to challenge convictions
3 Jul 2012: DPP invites 29 activists to challenge convictions on grounds that prosecutor may have withheld evidence about undercover policeman