Wikileaks Boss Assange Arrested in London Today - Takes Refuge in Ecuadorian Embassy

[Kev Bar]

I hear ya.

I think that history'll be the judge of that one. I can see the idea of a drone approaching his forties, with little experience of honey, being susceptible to some of the sweet stuff, especially if there's no discernible death match for the competitors involved. But such a move on behalf of the bee-keepers might be a bit obvious and over the top. Much more plausible, possible and in examination, deniable, to chase around some of the drone's 'conquests,' get their take on the matter and to proceed from there.

But as I said - morality - that's the bar for me. Assange has most certainly jumped and he's jumped under that bar. So for me, the only question that remains is: is it reasonable to conclude that the powers that be, could and would use Assange's failings, to commit a gross breach of human rights and dignity, and send us further into the abyss of human depravity?

There's no doubt in my mind that the answer to this question is "yes."

Yes indeed.
Apparently he was warned that downfall would be dressed in knickers.
And that was no doubt was due to standard operating procedure to bring down those climbing the moral high ground AND a supposed awareness of his nature.

Then throw in the confusion/temptation of being the Jagger Ghandi of the digital dawn

[fluffybiscuits]

Naomi Wolf has a good piece here... something very murky going on...




And it gets worse - read the entire article for the stuff that just doesn't add up

Eight BIG PROBLEMS with the “case” against Assange (MUST-READ by Naomi Wolf)

Mentioned this on my blog and have seen it elsewhere. The eight issues are just the bare bones of the issue.

[Seán Ryan]

Yes indeed.
Apparently he was warned that downfall would be dressed in knickers.
And that was no doubt was due to standard operating procedure to bring down those climbing the moral high ground AND a supposed awareness of his nature.

Then throw in the confusion/temptation of being the Jagger Ghandi of the digital dawn

"Jagger Ghandi"

I hope you don't mind me plagiarising the crap outta that!

[Baron von Biffo]

Apparently he was warned that downfall would be dressed in knickers.

Or not.

[ZeroWedge]

Here's a little reminder of where we're at, with regard to Assange and the alleged upholders and holders of law:

2011-03-04 Jennifer Robinson: Brief to Canberra meeting of MPs re Julian Assange

Theres some really great information on that link. Thanks for that Sean. I had no idea about this little gem

the arrest warrant in Sweden was granted on 18 November 2010. Ms Ny, the Prosecutor, sought an arrest order to have Julian held incommunicado pending potential trial. These pre-trial detention conditions in Sweden have been heavily criticised by the European Council and by the United Nations, in particular, for the treatment of foreigners.

So the swedes have already got it arranged to hold him in solitary confinement!

The swedish legal system is infested with CIA arse-lickers.

[Richardbouvet]

I am not convinced that the case against Assange is a US-orchestrated conspiracy as some here seem to think.

A sex-crime charge cannot be ignored. There may well be something to it. Putting up threads about Swedish prostitutes is not a good enough answer to that point.

I think Assange should go to Sweden and answer the charges. However, I also think that his request to Sweden to guarantee not to hand him over to the Americans is reasonable and should be agreed to.

I also think that if the sex trial turns out to be a travesty, or if he does end up on a flight from Sweden to the US, he will stand completely vindicated before the World. In that sense, he ought to think about risking it anyway.

[Sam Lord]

Theres some really great information on that link. Thanks for that Sean. I had no idea about this little gem
So the swedes have already got it arranged to hold him in solitary confinement!

The swedish legal system is infested with CIA arse-lickers.

Do political parties really appoint the lay members of the court?

[ZeroWedge]

A sex-crime charge cannot be ignored. There may well be something to it.

He hasnt ignored it. He attended the police station in sweden and answered their questions. Did you not read the links in the thread?

Julian volunteered himself for interview on 30 August 2010 in relation to this ongoing investigation.
........
Julian remained in Sweden for approximately 5 weeks to answer the allegations against him. Through his lawyer Mr Hurtig, proactive attempts were made to arrange interview and to seek permission to leave the country. For example, Julian offered himself for interview on 15 September but this was rejected by the prosecutor because the relevant police officer was sick.

http://wlcentral.org/node/1418

[Kev Bar]

I am not convinced that the case against Assange is a US-orchestrated conspiracy as some here seem to think.

A sex-crime charge cannot be ignored. There may well be something to it. Putting up threads about Swedish prostitutes is not a good enough answer to that point.

I think Assange should go to Sweden and answer the charges. However, I also think that his request to Sweden to guarantee not to hand him over to the Americans is reasonable and should be agreed to.

I also think that if the sex trial turns out to be a travesty, or if he does end up on a flight from Sweden to the US, he will stand completely vindicated before the World. In that sense, he ought to think about risking it anyway.

That's certainly an honourable view and it fits well with a view of the world which, however, sits uncomfortablly with Gitmo, rendition, Bradley Manning etc.

It's a big ask.

Especially when you look at some of the information outlined in the Wolf piece quoted above.

Without going Kaiser Souse on the gig, the mention of Karl Rove on the Swedish side would give grounds for caution.

I know Juli wanted to be a digital messiah but I also think he wanted to enjoy some of the divine benefits and not spend 10 yrs in solitary becoming a martyr in a landmark case of international legal abuse.

There are also very many views and hues of conspiracy.

[Count Bobulescu]

That's certainly an honourable view and it fits well with a view of the world which, however, sits uncomfortablly with Gitmo, rendition, Bradley Manning etc.

It's a big ask.

Especially when you look at some of the information outlined in the Wolf piece quoted above.

Without going Kaiser Souse on the gig, the mention of Karl Rove on the Swedish side would give grounds for caution.

I know Juli wanted to be a digital messiah but I also think he wanted to enjoy some of the divine benefits and not spend 10 yrs in solitary becoming a martyr in a landmark case of international legal abuse.

There are also very many views and hues of conspiracy.

Agree with both you and Richard.

I’m not a fan of Assange, but I do think the Swedish prosecutor’s original on again off again handling of the matter leaves much to be desired, and gives credence to the conspiracy theorists.

Has anyone seen a credible explanation of the prosecutor's on/off motives? It must exist. I’m not sold on some of the conclusory statements in the Naomi Wolf piece.

[Kev Bar]

"Jagger Ghandi"

I hope you don't mind me plagiarising the crap outta that!

I'm way too busy belting out aristo Anglo blues, 'snorting heroin with the president' and weaving humble robes to mind in the slightest.

[DCon]

Galloway defending Assange

"Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them," he continued.

"It might be really bad manners not to have tapped her on the shoulder and said, 'do you mind if I do it again?'

"It might be really sordid and bad sexual etiquette, but whatever else it is, it is not rape or you bankrupt the term rape of all meaning."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...etiquette.html

[Richardbouvet]

Zerowedge, I did not say Assange ignored the sex charges. I am saying that you are ignoring them.

[fluffybiscuits]

I am not convinced that the case against Assange is a US-orchestrated conspiracy as some here seem to think.

A sex-crime charge cannot be ignored. There may well be something to it. Putting up threads about Swedish prostitutes is not a good enough answer to that point.

I think Assange should go to Sweden and answer the charges. However, I also think that his request to Sweden to guarantee not to hand him over to the Americans is reasonable and should be agreed to.

I also think that if the sex trial turns out to be a travesty, or if he does end up on a flight from Sweden to the US, he will stand completely vindicated before the World. In that sense, he ought to think about risking it anyway.

If you compare the charge to what is on the statute books here there is really no equivelant here . The sex was consensual, what else is there to discuss? The prosecutors were offered the chance to discuss the situation in the Ecuadoran embassy and should have taken up the offer instead of engaging in a witch hunt. You are even casting doubts there, if the trial turns out to be a travesty? The pursuit of Assange is a travesty and there is no going back if he is handed over to the Americans. Assange should tell the Americans and the Swedes to sincerely**** themselves and who can blame him.

[Count Bobulescu]

Michael Moore and Oliver Stone in The New York Times in defense of WikiLeaks The two filmmakers defend WikiLeaks and decry the bureaucratic circus around founder Julian Assange as an offense to free speech. The people who want Assange have reason to dislike the way WikiLeaks reveals government misbehavior, they write. If Assange ends up in the U.S., "the consequences will reverberate for years around the world," they say, because if the U.S. can do this to Assange, China or Russia could do the same thing to foreign journalists. "The setting of such a precedent should deeply concern everyone, admirers of WikiLeaks or not.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/op...h.html?_r=1&hp