View Poll Results: Will you pay water charges

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Thread: Water charges for what exactly? Irish Water - Costs and Charges

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    Default Water charges for what exactly? Irish Water - Costs and Charges

    "According to an Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) report, levels of E.coli contamination in Irish drinking water supplies are nearly 30 times higher than found in supplies in England and Wales, with one-third of all public water supplies identified as potentially risky to human health and requiring replacement or upgrading."
    Gormley defends water quality

    '“A number of public supplies are poor,” he [Dr Kelleher] said. In a reference to the cryptosporidium problems around Lough Corrib in recent years, he remarked that “at least Galway has done us a favour. It really gave us cause for thought of the public health issues of drinking water.”'
    Water schemes at limit of safety rules

    "DRINKING water in Ireland is in danger of failing to meet the EU's water quality standards, experts have warned."
    Ireland at risk of failing EU water quality standards
    Last edited by C. Flower; 11-01-2014 at 01:34 PM.

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    Default Re: Water charges for what exactly?

    Seems like a lot of water has passed under the bridge since April but there was an initial meeting of groups opposed to the re-introduction of water tax.

    Article in LookLeft magazine also.

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    not to mention that many of the pipes are there since god was a child.
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    Default Re: Water charges for what exactly?

    The times of free fluoride for everyone are over.
    Thus all which you call Sin, Destruction—in brief, Evil—that is my true element.

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    Default Re: Water charges for what exactly?

    Who is protecting the politicians in the media....they obviously are crucifying us to protect their own monies/investments/gambles....why no questions???

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    Default Re: Water charges for what exactly?

    Probably to help cover the costs of the sedatives they must be putting in it as the IMF lubes up.

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    Our water system is a mess and I would say Biffo and co. are in the bar getting locked as they are ready to walk away and will never in their lifetime be in power again.
    Would you care?

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    Default Re: Water charges for what exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    The times of free fluoride for everyone are over.
    It was a bargain for free. It will be worth paying for

    NEW YORK, Dec. 21, 2010 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Exposure to fluoride may lower children's intelligence says a study pre-published in Environmental Health Perspectives, a publication of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (online December 17, 2010).

    Fluoride is added to 70% of U.S. public drinking water supplies.

    According to Paul Connett, Ph.D., director of the Fluoride Action Network, "This is the 24th study that has found this association, but this study is stronger than the rest because the authors have controlled for key confounding variables and in addition to correlating lowered IQ with levels of fluoride in the water, the authors found a correlation between lowered IQ and fluoride levels in children's blood. This brings us closer to a cause and effect relationship between fluoride exposure and brain damage in children."
    In this study, 512 children aged 8-13 years in two Chinese villages were studied and tested – Wamaio with an average of 2.47 mg/L water fluoride (range 0.57-4.50 mg/L) and Xinhuai averaging 0.36 mg/L (range 0.18-0.76 mg/L).

    The authors eliminated both lead exposure and iodine deficiency as possible causes for the lowered IQs. They also excluded any children who had a history of brain disease or head injury and none drank brick tea, known to contain high fluoride levels. Neither village is exposed to fluoride pollution from burning coal or other industrial sources.

    About 28% of the children in the low-fluoride area scored as bright, normal or higher intelligence compared to only 8% in the "high" fluoride area of Wamaio.

    In the high-fluoride city, 15% had scores indicating mental retardation and only 6% in the low-fluoride city.

    The study authors write: "In this study we found a significant dose-response relation between fluoride level in serum and children's IQ."

    In addition to this study, and the 23 other IQ studies, there have been over 100 animal studies linking fluoride to brain damage (all the IQ and animal brain studies are listed in Appendix 1 in The Case Against Fluoride available online at http://fluoridealert.org/caseagainst...ppendices.html).
    Connett adds, "The result is that while the issue of fluoride's impact on IQ is being aggressively pursued around the world, practically no work has been done in the U.S. or other fluoridating countries to repeat their findings. Sadly, health agencies in fluoridated countries seem to be more intent on protecting the fluoridation program than protecting children's brains."
    http://www.infowars.com/fluoride-in-...q-in-children/
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    It was a bargain for free. It will be worth paying for
    Sure ... Study: fluoridated water causes brain damage in children
    Thus all which you call Sin, Destruction—in brief, Evil—that is my true element.

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    The U.S. are cutting the amount of fluoride in drinking water.

    Will FF see this as an oportunity to attract fluoride producing industry?

    Today, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced a reduction in allowable fluoride levels in U.S. drinking water
    In Europe, fluoride is rarely added to water supplies. In Britain, only about 10 percent of the population has fluoridated water. It's been a controversial issue there, with critics arguing people shouldn't be forced to have "medical treatment" forced on them.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gov...-cause-health-
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    thanks for that link DCon, it brought me to this. There is a goup around Dublin at the moment, forget their name, putting stickers on lamposts and doors about the dangers of flouride, they have a website, will check it out and post link.


    Effects of fluoride on DNA damage, S-phase cell-cycle arrest and the expression of NF-kappaB in primary cultured rat hippocampal neurons.
    Zhang M, Wang A, Xia T, He P.

    MOE Key Lab of Environment and Health, Department of Occupational and Environmental Health, School of Public Health, Tongji Medical College, Huazhong University of Science and Technology, Wuhan, PR China
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    Abstract
    The mechanisms underlying the neurotoxicity of fluorosis still remain obscure. To investigate DNA damage, cell-cycle distribution and expression of nuclear factor kappa B (NF-kappaB) induced by fluoride, the primary rat hippocampal neurons were incubated with various concentrations (20mg/l, 40 mg/l, and 80 mg/l) of sodium fluoride for 24 h in vitro. Our results showed that olive tail moments (OTMs) were significantly elevated in all fluoride-treated groups, while significant increases in the percentage of DNA in the tail were, respectively, observed at 40 mg/l and 80 mg/l levels of fluoride. An increase in the proportion of cells in S-phase was observed in response to the treatment of 40 mg/l and 80 mg/l fluoride. Gene expression of NF-kappaB was also enhanced by fluoride treatment in a dose-dependent manner. The results indicated that fluoride could induce S-phase cell-cycle arrest, up-regulation of NF-kappaB and DNA damage in primary rat hippocampal neurons.

    PMID: 18485627 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


    Publication Types, MeSH Terms, Substances
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18485627
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    Default Re: Water charges for what exactly?

    There's another minor technical hitch (along with the fact that South Dublin's water supply could collapse at any time).

    Apparently some of the newer estates were farsightedly equipped with water meters (outside house, down a wee outlet thingy which was insufficiently insulated)....and hey presto, supply to estate freezes solid. There's probably a VERY good reason why water in Canada wasn't metered. We had meters where I used to live in the UK, similarly, buried well less than a foot deep, must check with old friends and neighbours how they fared in the big freeze...

    Alternatively, if they're going to install a meter, perhaps inside the house, with an outside readout??

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    they wont be let into my house.
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    "There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by sword. The other is by debt." -- John Adams

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    Default Re: Water charges for what exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by whydontwe View Post
    Who is protecting the politicians in the media....they obviously are crucifying us to protect their own monies/investments/gambles....why no questions???
    The Editor of the Irish Times is an ex-PD TD. Join the dots.

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