Could Ireland see the emergence of a far-right?

[Garibaldy]

Very true and the man stream left is FG lite so we are left we a scrabble of organisations and minor groups that would eat each other alive for breakfast.

The right in Irish society must be appeased by a common sense approach that is neither right nor left nor self righteous. We need a new political class that be sensible, calm and innovative and ; who don't buy into the model of leaving it to the markets or thinking that high finance and US companies dodging taxes can be our bed rock. WE must be our bed rock.

Why is so much of the UKs GDP based on creativity in the form of writing computer and console games while we depend have American firms producing end user stuff . Intellectual rights are where the money is really.

We are a smart nation time to think out of the box and creatively both politically and in commercial spheres.

We need active and engaged citizens rather than a new political class it seems to me.

[People Korps]

We need active and engaged citizens rather than a new political class it seems to me.

Exactly.

[bormotello]

We need active and engaged citizens rather than a new political class it seems to me.

And high taxes used for subsidizing business elite and left wing populism will drive those people away

[Garibaldy]

And high taxes used for subsidizing business elite and left wing populism will drive those people away

Who is suggesting using taxes to subsidize the business elite? Apart from the Fianna Fáil/Green coalition and the Fine Gael-led alternative.

[Apjp]

FYI it should be "speak English well" not "able to speak good english" so I guess you qualify for deportation. The second part of your (Apjp's) sentence "with english classes for others first.". is bordering on illiterate and displays chronic ignorance and lack of education so I guess (he) you qualify for deportation. Your command of the English language is at a level that I might expect from a well-tutored gerbil.

Right Professor. I will be sure to consult you in future before I write my posts on the site. And ifI am breaching some technicality again, or as you put it, 'borderlining on illiterate', perhaps you could kindly stop taking the piss just because I want non-national citizens to have a reasonable knowledge of the English language. Subsidized classes for all non-EU workers would be a good start as many people do still struggle in simple roles such as in the local shop or on a local bus. Honestly man, do I honestly give a ***** if I have crossed my T's and dotted my I's? Will that stop the IMF coming in? I am just asking that people in Irish society from different countries coming here can understand what we say, and yes we must help them. But if you want to take the piss of my suggestions with your arrogant snobbish bullshit, take a hike. Back to the topic at hand please.

[Munnkeyman]

I thought we already had a far right.

[C. Flower]

I thought we already had a far right.

I've come across a couple of very nasty websites, but I think they're UK sponsored.
There are far right individuals scattered in the mainstream parties and in the Republican movement. Ganley obviously offers himself as a focus for a right wing movement in Ireland. Given the economic conditions, it's inevitable that "solutions" to the right of anything we've seen before will be put forward. Whether that ever amounts to anything politically will depend in part on how strong the opposition and alternatives to the right are.

[Design for Life]

Ireland needs imagination not ideology.

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We had imagination with building hotels all over Leitrim and Offaly in the middle of bogs and fields! Roald Dhal couldn't have come up with that one.

We do have ideology now - it is a right wing ideology that is opposed to increased taxes on the richest, opposed to taxation to redistribute wealth, opposed to democratic intervention in business, for freedom of markets and all the rest of it.

Once we can identify and accept that we do have a prevailing ideology then maybe we can move forward with better ideas. Cause that's what there's a great poverty of - ideas. Stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting different results...

[bormotello]

Who is suggesting using taxes to subsidize the business elite? Apart from the Fianna Fáil/Green coalition and the Fine Gael-led alternative.

What about Labour party strategic bank?

[bormotello]

Whether that ever amounts to anything politically will depend in part on how strong the opposition and alternatives to the right are.

Opposition without alternatives is nothing
Left wingers may be good in claiming future and other staff, but not good in offering solutions how to solve unemployment problem
i.e. without unemployment problem solved left wing opposition will be not able to do any harm to growing ultra nationalists popularity

[bormotello]

We are a smart nation time to think out of the box and creatively both politically and in commercial spheres.

Do you mean that we need more people like Declan Ganley?

[matt]

I've come across a couple of very nasty websites, but I think they're UK sponsored.
There are far right individuals scattered in the mainstream parties and in the Republican movement. Ganley obviously offers himself as a focus for a right wing movement in Ireland. Given the economic conditions, it's inevitable that "solutions" to the right of anything we've seen before will be put forward. Whether that ever amounts to anything politically will depend in part on how strong the opposition and alternatives to the right are.

Most of what has been alluded to here is in reference to immigration; but I'd again ask people to have a read through the second & third posts I stole for this thread - http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=4957
Can it be denied that free-movement ideologies are at the behest of free-market, privatising, right-wing corporate dictats ?
The Socialist Party in either Denmark or Holland has seemingly pointed this out, which was the cue for a few drab ''well, the must be National socialists, then...'' comments.

But here are a few points - the Welfare system is an essential characteristic in any humane and just society; but there is a huge potential for abuse.
The pithy, minor type of abuse is individual dishonesty, with all the accompanying characteristics that people opposed to Welfare throw at its' recipients. I maintain that these are always the minority of cases, but there is a real situation where people lose their competence to live without these aids; which surely is not what we should be aiming for.
Anyway, that is the less important aspect of Welfare abuse.
The greater, more insidious because more deliberately undertaken in conscious understanding of its' impacts is the creation of Weflare-dependent communities in a social engineering-type manner, and/or as means of enriching the services and industries which spring up around any human population with an amount of disposable income.
It has been a major factor in the housing explosion, one of the main, if secondary, causes of our situation. Bertie's immigration policies were geared towards housing proliferation. We have to live with the consequnces.
Any just, proper government has a duty to provide a realistic, constructive environment in which it's people can live, or it is our collective responsibility, rather. It is owed to existing populations and to incoming ones. And this requires fully regulated migration controls.
Looking over Cactus flower's responses to the old thread again, I suspect that she'd disagree with this. And its a knackered old topic.

But I'd ask people to have a think outside the pre-drawn box on this issue - there are lots of other aspects to be factored in such as the fact that human communities need a degree of stabilty and that the modern mass movements of people is reducing the totality of human culture.

But really, in respect to this thread, remember that the corporate ideology sees two types of humans - the physical resource and the consumer. And the sad fact is that we - if we are not conscious of the danger - can in our apathy assume those roles.
But it is absolutley essential that clear, conscious sight remains with us - and we are not led by opportunist provocateurs into ignoring the rights and dignity of any individual or part of the human community.

[morticia]

Do you mean that we need more people like Declan Ganley?

AUUGGH

It has been alleged that he is in some way linked to UK/US "intelligence" and/or far right parties such as UKIP (by RTE amongst others, they ran a PrimeTime investigates on him, if I remember correctly. he came across as opaque to say the least); given that the bailout will be seen as European colonialism, I'd imagine he'll re-emerge shortly. Especially as Frau Merkel is probably about to be told by our legal eagles that any changes to Lisbon to tighten up on fiscal stuff will need.... another referendum. Now I'd guess that'd have a snowflakes chance in Hell of succeeding here right now.

We've always had a hard right. I can well remember screeching "get your rosaries off my ovaries" on all the X case marches.... almost 20 years ago now. We'd have given the Islamic republic of Iran a run for it's money in those days..... you could get married at 16, but between 1986 and and the mid 90's, no contraceptives till ye were '18 (and none at all unless you lived in "Loony Liberal" Dublin). I can still remember some retard cleric explaining to Today Tonight that fertility treatment was anti-life as it involved extra-vaginal deposition of sperm samples......meaning there was no chance for God to create life. Fertility treatment, ffs. Meanwhile, on the divorce front, many of the lads my age (then mid twenties) from the country found they'd been removed from the electoral roll mysteriously when they went back to Mam and Dad's to vote. And to recall that this was being dictated to us by a church that was engaged in institutional paedophilia.

As for economic rightwingery, we've taken free-market extremism further than Milton Friedman. Look where it's got us.

meanwhile, many Poles and others who have worked here for more than 2 years are failing habitual residency requirements and being refused the Dole. Their government, according to the papers today, is complaining.

[bormotello]

We've always had a hard right. I can well remember screeching "get your rosaries off my ovaries" on all the X case marches.... almost 20 years ago now. We'd have given the Islamic republic of Iran a run for it's money in those days..... you could get married at 16, but between 1986 and and the mid 90's, no contraceptives till ye were '18 (and none at all unless you lived in "Loony Liberal" Dublin). I can still remember some retard cleric explaining to Today Tonight that fertility treatment was anti-life as it involved extra-vaginal deposition of sperm samples......meaning there was no chance for God to create life. Fertility treatment, ffs. Meanwhile, on the divorce front, many of the lads my age (then mid twenties) from the country found they'd been removed from the electoral roll mysteriously when they went back to Mam and Dad's to vote. And to recall that this was being dictated to us by a church that was engaged in institutional paedophilia.

Life under rule of left winger will be not much different, apart from access to contraception. BTW, condoms in soviet union had so low quality, and could easily used to increase birth rate.

As for economic rightwingery, we've taken free-market extremism further than Milton Friedman. Look where it's got us.

Because it wasn't used as it suppose to be

[People Korps]

Do you mean that we need more people like Declan Ganley?

Ganley has a record of failing in business more than succeeding. the number of his companies that were struck off outnumber the ones that allegedly make cash. FYI no one knows how much Rivada makes in profit but its US contracts seem to have contracted radically.

He is a disaster capitalist so if you want to grab your ankles and smile be my guest; Ganley's type know how to rub salt in your wounds. Think Albania 1997.

To be fair though I would say that Libertas brought in a fair few bob, where it went we will never know.