I thought we already had a far right.
There are far right individuals scattered in the mainstream parties and in the Republican movement. Ganley obviously offers himself as a focus for a right wing movement in Ireland. Given the economic conditions, it's inevitable that "solutions" to the right of anything we've seen before will be put forward. Whether that ever amounts to anything politically will depend in part on how strong the opposition and alternatives to the right are.
We had imagination with building hotels all over Leitrim and Offaly in the middle of bogs and fields! Roald Dhal couldn't have come up with that one.
We do have ideology now - it is a right wing ideology that is opposed to increased taxes on the richest, opposed to taxation to redistribute wealth, opposed to democratic intervention in business, for freedom of markets and all the rest of it.
Once we can identify and accept that we do have a prevailing ideology then maybe we can move forward with better ideas. Cause that's what there's a great poverty of - ideas. Stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting different results...
Left wingers may be good in claiming future and other staff, but not good in offering solutions how to solve unemployment problem
i.e. without unemployment problem solved left wing opposition will be not able to do any harm to growing ultra nationalists popularity
Can it be denied that free-movement ideologies are at the behest of free-market, privatising, right-wing corporate dictats ?
The Socialist Party in either Denmark or Holland has seemingly pointed this out, which was the cue for a few drab ''well, the must be National socialists, then...'' comments.
But here are a few points - the Welfare system is an essential characteristic in any humane and just society; but there is a huge potential for abuse.
The pithy, minor type of abuse is individual dishonesty, with all the accompanying characteristics that people opposed to Welfare throw at its' recipients. I maintain that these are always the minority of cases, but there is a real situation where people lose their competence to live without these aids; which surely is not what we should be aiming for.
Anyway, that is the less important aspect of Welfare abuse.
The greater, more insidious because more deliberately undertaken in conscious understanding of its' impacts is the creation of Weflare-dependent communities in a social engineering-type manner, and/or as means of enriching the services and industries which spring up around any human population with an amount of disposable income.
It has been a major factor in the housing explosion, one of the main, if secondary, causes of our situation. Bertie's immigration policies were geared towards housing proliferation. We have to live with the consequnces.
Any just, proper government has a duty to provide a realistic, constructive environment in which it's people can live, or it is our collective responsibility, rather. It is owed to existing populations and to incoming ones. And this requires fully regulated migration controls.
Looking over Cactus flower's responses to the old thread again, I suspect that she'd disagree with this. And its a knackered old topic.
But I'd ask people to have a think outside the pre-drawn box on this issue - there are lots of other aspects to be factored in such as the fact that human communities need a degree of stabilty and that the modern mass movements of people is reducing the totality of human culture.
But really, in respect to this thread, remember that the corporate ideology sees two types of humans - the physical resource and the consumer. And the sad fact is that we - if we are not conscious of the danger - can in our apathy assume those roles.
But it is absolutley essential that clear, conscious sight remains with us - and we are not led by opportunist provocateurs into ignoring the rights and dignity of any individual or part of the human community.
It has been alleged that he is in some way linked to UK/US "intelligence" and/or far right parties such as UKIP (by RTE amongst others, they ran a PrimeTime investigates on him, if I remember correctly. he came across as opaque to say the least); given that the bailout will be seen as European colonialism, I'd imagine he'll re-emerge shortly. Especially as Frau Merkel is probably about to be told by our legal eagles that any changes to Lisbon to tighten up on fiscal stuff will need.... another referendum. Now I'd guess that'd have a snowflakes chance in Hell of succeeding here right now.
We've always had a hard right. I can well remember screeching "get your rosaries off my ovaries" on all the X case marches.... almost 20 years ago now. We'd have given the Islamic republic of Iran a run for it's money in those days..... you could get married at 16, but between 1986 and and the mid 90's, no contraceptives till ye were '18 (and none at all unless you lived in "Loony Liberal" Dublin). I can still remember some retard cleric explaining to Today Tonight that fertility treatment was anti-life as it involved extra-vaginal deposition of sperm samples......meaning there was no chance for God to create life. Fertility treatment, ffs. Meanwhile, on the divorce front, many of the lads my age (then mid twenties) from the country found they'd been removed from the electoral roll mysteriously when they went back to Mam and Dad's to vote. And to recall that this was being dictated to us by a church that was engaged in institutional paedophilia.
As for economic rightwingery, we've taken free-market extremism further than Milton Friedman. Look where it's got us.
meanwhile, many Poles and others who have worked here for more than 2 years are failing habitual residency requirements and being refused the Dole. Their government, according to the papers today, is complaining.
He is a disaster capitalist so if you want to grab your ankles and smile be my guest; Ganley's type know how to rub salt in your wounds. Think Albania 1997.
To be fair though I would say that Libertas brought in a fair few bob, where it went we will never know.
Last edited by People Korps; 22-11-2010 at 08:02 AM.