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    Latest casualty of euro crisis - Morocco imposing austerity measures -

    RABAT // Morocco has become the latest victim of Europe's debt crisis, as a slump in business with its main export partner and the costs of buying social peace amid Arab world uprisings are forcing the country to impose austerity measures in order to receive international financial assistance.

    Long a model of relative prosperity in northern Africa, Morocco had to seek help from the International Monetary Fund this month, winning a $6.2 billion precautionary credit line. The IMF says it offered the loan to help Morocco cope with fluctuating energy prices and the effects of Europe's economic troubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ang View Post
    Latest casualty of euro crisis - Morocco imposing austerity measures -



    http://www.thenational.ae/news/world...erity-measures
    No it did not.

    The IMF propped up another corrupt Govt with other peoples money, but with the purchase of the natural rescources of that country.

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    Austria’s Vice-Chancellor and Foreign Minister Michael Spindelegger wants a mechanism through which states can be expelled from the euro.
    http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/14...countries.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ang View Post
    Latest casualty of euro crisis - Morocco imposing austerity measures -
    Let's not forget Slovenia. The bail out should be requested any day now.

    http://news.yahoo.com/insight-sloven...--finance.html
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    Watching, "too big to fail" at the moment.

    The movie was designed to paint Hank Paulson and the rest of the FED as some kind of superheroes, screwed over by the system.

    It ignores the fact that they were the system and despite them seemingly knowing what went wrong, nothing has changed.

    Colm Mc Carthy reckons we should sue the ECB.

    I say to Colm, congratulations, but don,t take credit for an opinion that was obvious 4 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPB View Post

    I say to Colm, congratulations, but don,t take credit for an opinion that was obvious 4 years ago.


    Spiegel and Carswell with two useful pieces on what lies ahead

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-851268.html

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...322659680.html

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    how to make money when the euro falls apart..

    One will be selling Germany. Despite what everyone keeps saying, it will be the big loser from the crisis in the medium term. An artificially low currency has turned it into an export machine — China with sausages. With its own currency that will soar in value, its manufacturers will be wiped out. At the same time its banks will be stuck with all the losses from the debt of the peripheral countries. It will be bankrupt for a generation.

    The other will be buying Spanish and Italian equities. Both countries have plenty of big successful companies, from retail to food to engineering. If they come out of the euro, they will renege on their debts or see them written off. And their new currencies will massively devalue, giving an immediate competitive boost to their domestic industries.

    Either would be a significant stimulus — together they will turbo-charge both economies. They will recover far faster than anyone expects. And so will their equity markets, which are already trading at bargain-basement levels.
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    If you like fancy graphs, lots of jargon and sentences a mile long, this is for you.

    http://www.markiteconomics.com/Marki...e.aspx?ID=9951

    Bottomline, the Eurozone goes into it's second recession in 3 years.

    but Hollande and Merkel are having a private meeting on Friday, and are even joined by Samaras. Maybe he has some ideas for them? Hollande also phoned Cameron, so certainly no reason to panic, all is under control, just a "glitch"...

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    Here’s a piece on Greece, Ireland, and Portugal.
    Greece is considered the most likely candidate to leave the currency union. Ireland, by contrast, is a study in how an open economy and effective trade strategy can help a country take advantage of the euro’s strengths. Portugal is somewhere in the middle, perhaps destined to muddle through with slow growth.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...eadlines_local
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    Watching old Morgan Kelly on Primetime. Grrrrrr
    Crazy that he was correct about the banks hours after the guarantee. %100 spot on and yet the EZ is in complete denial, * publicly at least* coming up the fourth anniversary

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    Watching old Morgan Kelly on Primetime. Grrrrrr
    Crazy that he was correct about the banks hours after the guarantee. %100 spot on and yet the EZ is in complete denial, * publicly at least* coming up the fourth anniversary
    Old one ?

    He predicted the crash way ahead. There were a few, himself, Sidewinder and six or so others who knew what was going on and said so.

    An honest man. He would be a good pick for part of a team to get us out of the Programme, still.

    His advice not to take the EU/IMF loans was on the money too.
    We had some cash in hand, and could have defaulted on unsecured debt, made the cuts, increased higher bracket income and asset taxes and put in a 'social safety net' so that nobody went hungry or without a house - very painful though it would have been in the short term. But politically, people were not prepared for that.

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    In June, it seemed as if any day might bring about the collapse of the Greek economy and with it, the entire euro zone and its decade-old currency. Then in July and August, it seemed as if everyone was on vacation. Now they’re back — finance officials and political leaders have been flying all over Europe to meet with one another — and along with them the crisis that has been raging for the last two years. Here is a guide to the new season’s most intriguing (and terrifying) story lines.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/ma...2&ref=magazine
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    Here's a little thought-provoking fact from last Friday's FT:


    “The gold holdings of the crisis-hit eurozone countries (Portugal, Spain, Greece, Ireland and Italy) represent only 3.3 per cent of the combined outstanding debt of their central governments.”


    The quote is from an article by Gillian Tett. For some reason it is available for free on Fidelity's website:


    Is it time for the eurozone to leverage its gold reserves?


    BY GILLIAN TETT, FINANCIAL TIMES, 31 AUG 2012

    Is it time for some eurozone governments to start selling that metaphorical family silver? Or, more specifically look at their all-too-real gold reserves, to find a solution to Europe’s crisis?

    That is a question which has recently been buzzing around in some policy making and investing circles. For as autumn looms, it is clear that the eurozone remains under profound stress. However, it is also unclear whether the European Central Bank - let alone the eurozone politicians - will really be able to do anything soon to ease market fears and lower those borrowing costs.

    Thus, as unease builds, the World Gold Council - or the body that represents the gold industry - has recently lobbed a new idea into the fray: it thinks it is time for eurozone governments to start using gold in a creative manner, particularly in places such as Italy, to cut those interest rates.

    The issue at stake revolves around the estimated 10,000 tonnes of gold reserves that are currently held by eurozone governments. According to the Council, “it is well known that some of the countries most affected by the crisis, including Portugal and Italy, are responsible for a significant proportion of these assets.”

    Unsurprisingly, this situation has prompted some to suggest that governments should sell some of that gold. The value of gold has soared in the last few years, and if there were ever a time that eurozone countries needed an unexpected windfall - say, to pay interest on bonds - it would be now.

    But the Gold Council, for its part, insists this would be a mistake. For quite apart from the fact that a massive dump of gold would dampen the price, eurozone debt woes are now so large that gold sales would only scratch the surface of the problem. Or as it notes: “The gold holdings of the crisis-hit eurozone countries (Portugal, Spain, Greece, Ireland and Italy) represent only 3.3 per cent of the combined outstanding debt of their central governments.”

    Thus it favours an alternative idea: instead eurozone countries should essentially securitise part of that gold, by issuing government bonds that are backed by gold. This could be done in a simple manner; or it could be structured to include tranches of different risks. Either way, the key point is that gold would be used to provide additional security for bonds - and thus reassure investors who do not trust eurozone government balance sheets any more.

    “Using only a portion of those gold reserves as collateral could significantly reduce the rate at which each of these [periphery] countries could issue debt,” the Council argues, pointing out that this scheme has been employed on a few occasions in history before. In the 1970s, for example, Italy and Portugal used their gold reserves as collateral to get loans from the Bundesbank, the Bank for International Settlements and other creditors. More recently, India raised a loan from Japan, which it backed with gold.

    So is there any chance this idea could fly? Don’t hold your breath, or not soon. Personally - and leaving aside the Gold Council’s self serving interest in pushing the scheme - I think that the concept of gold-backed bonds certainly is worth debating. While gold-backed bonds would not be a full-blown solution, it could help in some respects.

    But there is little sign that the idea has garnered any serious support from policy makers thus far. Even if eurozone leaders embraced the idea, there would be some big legal obstacles; most notably, much of the gold is held by central banks, not treasuries.

    Nevertheless, if nothing else, investors should take note of the debate as an interesting straw in the wind. A decade ago, it seemed utterly old-fashioned to ever suggest that any investor would post gold as a collateral; in the era of cyber finance, securities such as treasury bonds, tended to rule. But in recent months groups such as a LCH.Clearnet, ICE and the Chicago Mercantile Exchange have increasingly started to accept gold as collateral for margin requirements for derivatives trades. And earlier this summer the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision issued a discussion paper which suggested that gold should be one of six items used as collateral for margin requirements for non-centrally cleared derivatives trades, alongside items such as treasury bonds.

    This does not add up to a revolution; let alone the type of step towards gold-backed finance - or a gold standard - that gold bugs (and some American Republican Party members) would love to see. But it does suggest that a slow evolution of attitudes is under way - not so much in terms of the desirability of gold per se, but the increasingly undesirability and riskiness of other supposedly “safe” assets, such as government bonds. That pattern is unlikely to change soon; especially as markets wait to see what the ECB might unveil on September 6.

    https://www.fidelity.co.uk/investor/...-gold-reserves

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Old one ?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7inIiXeROpU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11CCxv2ueiQ

    The bluster from Power & Keenan. Both still doing well of course.
    Second clip is the day after the guarantee, nothing he's says has been faced up to four years on.

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    EU July youth unemployment: 22.5%

    Greece 53.8%, Spain 52.9%, Italy 35.3%, Portugal 36.4%, Ireland 30.7%, France 23.4%, UK 21.7%, Germany 8%
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