View Poll Results: Will you wear the red poppy tomorrow?

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  1. #151
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    Default Re: Wearing The Poppy

    "Remember Ireland's dead. Wear an Easter Lily!"

    I don't know who produces them nowadays but there used to be two organisations in the trade - the Provisionals and the Stickies (so-named as their lilies were adhesive, whereas the Provisional ones required pins.)

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    Default Wearing The Poppy

    Presumably wearing both would be confusing and seasonally incongruous? (Lily+poppy, I mean).
    "The floggings will continue until morale improves "

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    Fair play to McLean.

    Could be a long term replacement for Eamo!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post

    The letter was really really well laid out and made the points eloquently. Dave Whelan, the chairman of Wigan, has agreed with him . Mc Cleans outbursts on twitter really won him no fans but this is a great gesture. Maybe as morticia said replacing the red poppy wiht a white one is a nice compromise. I lost relatives back generations ago in WW1 but Id never feel the need to wear a red poppy. Donations go to those who were part of British imperialist conquests...
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    Decision: McClean came on as a late substitute against Bolton

    Wigan winger James McClean has explained his stance on poppies in an open letter to chairman Dave Whelan.
    The 25-year-old opted against wearing a poppy on in his shirt in Friday night's defeat to Bolton, as the club paid its respects to Remembrance Day.
    During his time with Sunderland, McClean made a similar decision and explained his reasons to Whelan, before the pair met face-to-face this week.
    Wigan confirmed the club's chairman had accepted his wish and agreed to publish the letter.
    The Latics lost 3-1 to Bolton in the Championship clash with McClean coming on as a second-half substitute.

    James McLean's letter in full

    Dear Mr Whelan


    I wanted to write to you before talking about this face to face and explain my reasons for not wearing a poppy on my shirt for the game at Bolton.


    I have complete respect for those who fought and died in both World Wars - many I know were Irish-born. I have been told that your own Grandfather Paddy Whelan, from Tipperary, was one of those.
    I mourn their deaths like every other decent person and if the Poppy was a symbol only for the lost souls of World War I and II I would wear one.
    I want to make that 100% clear .You must understand this. But the Poppy is used to remember victims of other conflicts since 1945 and this is where the problem starts for me.
    For people from the North of Ireland such as myself, and specifically those in Derry, scene of the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, the poppy has come to mean something very different. Please understand, Mr Whelan, that when you come from Creggan like myself or the Bogside, Brandywell or the majority of places in Derry, every person still lives in the shadow of one of the darkest days in Ireland’s history – even if like me you were born nearly 20 years after the event. It is just a part of who we are, ingrained into us from birth.


    Mr Whelan, for me to wear a poppy would be as much a gesture of disrespect for the innocent people who lost their lives in the Troubles – and Bloody Sunday especially - as I have in the past been accused of disrespecting the victims of WWI and WWII.
    It would be seen as an act of disrespect to those people; to my people.


    I am not a war monger, or anti-British, or a terrorist or any of the accusations levelled at me in the past. I am a peaceful guy, I believe everyone should live side by side, whatever their religious or political beliefs which I respect and ask for people to respect mine in return. Since last year, I am a father and I want my daughter to grow up in a peaceful world, like any parent.

    I am very proud of where I come from and I just cannot do something that I believe is wrong. In life, if you’re a man you should stand up for what you believe in.
    I know you may not agree with my feelings but I hope very much that you understand my reasons.
    As the owner of the club I am proud to play for, I believe I owe both you and the club’s supporters this explanation.


    Yours sincerely,


    James McClean
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
    — Jean-Paul Sartre

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post

    Decision: McClean came on as a late substitute against Bolton

    Wigan winger James McClean has explained his stance on poppies in an open letter to chairman Dave Whelan.
    The 25-year-old opted against wearing a poppy on in his shirt in Friday night's defeat to Bolton, as the club paid its respects to Remembrance Day.
    During his time with Sunderland, McClean made a similar decision and explained his reasons to Whelan, before the pair met face-to-face this week.
    Wigan confirmed the club's chairman had accepted his wish and agreed to publish the letter.
    The Latics lost 3-1 to Bolton in the Championship clash with McClean coming on as a second-half substitute.

    James McLean's letter in full
    A very thoughtfull and interesting letter. The best explanation I´ve come across so far on that subject.

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    In the last few years, "Poppy Day" has gone from being a day of remembrance for war dead, and a fund raiser for disabled soldiers, to a coercive drum-beating exercise to promote war.
    There has been widespread bullying of media personalities / celebrities who have "refused to wear" (i.e. not worn) a poppy

    A 92 year old WW2 veteran has spoken against this, reported in Huffington Post. The white "peace" poppy is again being talked about as an alternative.

    Once a symbol of remembrance and respect, the red poppy is now being used as a political tool by the government to “sell” its war on terror, a World War Two veteran has said.
    Harry Leslie Smith, a former RAF serviceman, believes the poppy has been both “politicised and commercialised” and the requirement to wear it has become a “month-long dirge of patriotism”.
    The 92-year-old’s comments come as scrutiny grows over the red patriotic symbol. Last month, former EastEnders star Barbara Windsor said that anyone who does not wear a red poppy should “sod off”.
    Mr Smith does not wear a red poppy. He announced in 2013 that he would no longer allow his “obligation as a veteran” to be manipulated by governments to promote present-day wars.

    Mr Nineham, who is one of the founders of the Stop the War Coalition, said: “More and more it [the red poppy] is associated with the military.
    “Soldiers sell it at stations, arms companies fund the British Legion, prewar politicians are amongst the most enthusiastic supporters of militarised commemorations.
    “People wear the red poppy for different and mostly respectful reasons but given this huge establishment campaign behind it there is a danger that the red poppy becomes associated with current, aggressive British foreign policy posture.”
    Last edited by C. Flower; 08-11-2015 at 10:11 AM.
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    Sick of the poppy malarkey at this stage, it's gone from a remembrance Sunday to a remembrance month. The fact we have to listen to the rubbish around James McLeans personal choice not to wear one every year too is tiresome. He was booed yesterday, kind of contradicts the whole point of why so many fought and died in World War 2 doesn't it? It's the same with the armchair republicans deriding anyone who does wear it, they need to cop on just as much. It's probably just a fair reflection of the world today where everything causes moral outrage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Launchbury View Post
    Sick of the poppy malarkey at this stage, it's gone from a remembrance Sunday to a remembrance month. The fact we have to listen to the rubbish around James McLeans personal choice not to wear one every year too is tiresome. He was booed yesterday, kind of contradicts the whole point of why so many fought and died in World War 2 doesn't it? It's the same with the armchair republicans deriding anyone who does wear it, they need to cop on just as much. It's probably just a fair reflection of the world today where everything causes moral outrage

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    No, I don't think "everything causes moral outrage" - not really. In theory, we live in a liberal era in which pretty well nothing much at all causes moral outrage.

    There is nothing moral about ganging up on someone who doesn't support wars. It's a behaviour that sets out to stamp out any questioning of Britain's increasingly militaristic culture.
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    I have to say, I won't wear the poppy. I see this as a pity, because I have relatives that died in both world wars, but they use it as a jingoistic excuse for further recruitment. I cannot look at the queues of refugees and wear a poppy. No can do.

    And speaking as an armchair republican in BOTH the British and Irish senses, while looking at the Tory assault on the poor,
    I would like to express my SINCERE gratitude to the 1916 lads for getting 26 counties outta that. Pity they didn't manage all 32, but hey.

    I'd wear a green poppy in remembrance of them, and all others who died in wars, with the clear understanding that they are to avoided, where possible, going forward.

    But I won't wear a red one. Tacit permission for further imperialist ****, as Cameron tries to drag Britain back to the feudal area.

    Vote Corbyn.....and a grateful nod to James Connolly & Co. They had the right idea
    "The floggings will continue until morale improves "

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    No, I don't think "everything causes moral outrage" - not really. In theory, we live in a liberal era in which pretty well nothing much at all causes moral outrage.

    There is nothing moral about ganging up on someone who doesn't support wars. It's a behaviour that sets out to stamp out any questioning of Britain's increasingly militaristic culture.
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    Ok maybe moral outrage is the wrong phrase but people do get into a tizzy over little or nothing now. I was reading an article yesterday where a Chelsea supporting lawyer was interviewed by one of them fan TV websites on the way out of the Liverpool match last week, he made some stereotypical remarks about people from Liverpool and it made a big article and people hounding hin online and all this craic. That's the point I was getting at, someone says or does something people don't agree with now and it's a virtual witch hunt, happens to McLean every November

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    " The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
    Pro patria mori."

    http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html

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    Wear the poppy?

    I'd rather die.

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