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    There was much pre-storm talk along the line of this being the strongest hurricane ever in the East Atlantic. It really wasn't that extraordinary in terms of what we actually got.

    What category Hurricane was the Storm of Oíche na Gaoithe Móire in 1839 and could we see another monster like that again if the Atlantic is warming?

    The Night of the Big Wind was the most devastating storm ever recorded in Irish history. Known as Gaeilge as “Oíche na Gaoithe Móire”, the hurricane of 6th and 7th January 1839 made more people homeless in a single night than all the sorry decades of eviction that followed it.

    By 10pm, Ireland was in the throes of a ferocious cyclone that would continue unabated until 6am. The hurricane had roared across 3,000 miles of unbroken, island-free Atlantic Ocean, gathering momentum every second.

    It hit Ireland’s west coast with such power that the waves actually broke over the top of the Cliffs of Moher.

    The noise of the sea crashing against the rocks could be heard for miles inland, above the roar and din of the storm itself. The earth trembled under the assault; the ocean tossed huge boulders onto the cliff-tops of the Aran Islands.

    The wind blew all the water out of the canal at Tuam.

    It stripped the earth alongside the River Boyne, exposing the bones of soldiers killed in the famous battle 150 years earlier.

    Roads in every parish became impassable. All along the Grand Canal, trees were pulled up by the roots and hurled across the water to the opposite bank.

    Thousands of timber cabins were destroyed by the storm. Surviving inhabitants had no choice but to flee into the pitch-black night in clothes that were presumably soon utterly drenched by the intense rains and snows which accompanied that cruel, piercing wind. Many sought shelter amid the hollows and hedges of the land.

    The well-to-do did not escape; many mansions had their roofs stripped off.

    Lord Castlemaine was fastening his bedroom window when the storm blew the windows open and hurled him “so violently upon his back that he instantly expired”.

    His brother-in-law, the Earl of Clancarty, later reported the loss of nearly 20,000 trees on his estate at Ballinasloe. Similar figures came in from other landed estates in every Co; one landlord declared his woods were now “as bald as the palm of my hand”. At the Seaforde estate in Co Down, an estimated 60,000 trees were lost.

    Dublin resembled “a sacked city …the whirlwind of desolation spared neither building, tree nor shrub”. The Liffey rose by several feet and overflowed the quay walls.
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.iris...684%3fmode=amp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    There was much pre-storm talk along the line of this being the strongest hurricane ever in the East Atlantic. It really wasn't that extraordinary in terms of what we actually got.

    What category Hurricane was the Storm of Oíche na Gaoithe Móire in 1839 and could we see another monster like that again if the Atlantic is warming?





    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.iris...684%3fmode=amp
    Ah now Shaadi, I thought you were made of sterner stuff, to say nothing of the Irish Times.

    Waves breaking over the Cliffs of Moher, that range between 400 and 700 feet in height? Fairy tales of Ireland more like it.

    Highest known Atlantic wave is around 100 feet. Highest recorded tsunami wave is 1700+ feet (Alaska 1958) and that loosened 30M cubic meters of land/rock. That's more than 60M tons.

    How many people would you reckon were out in the dark on the cliffs a cold wet windy winter's night to observe the waves breaking over the top, and lived to tell the tale?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Ah now Shaadi, I thought you were made of sterner stuff, to say nothing of the Irish Times.

    Waves breaking over the Cliffs of Moher, that range between 400 and 700 feet in height? Fairy tales of Ireland more like it.

    Highest known Atlantic wave is around 100 feet. Highest recorded tsunami wave is 1700+ feet (Alaska 1958) and that loosened 30M cubic meters of land/rock. That's more than 60M tons.

    How many people would you reckon were out in the dark on the cliffs a cold wet windy winter's night to observe the waves breaking over the top, and lived to tell the tale?
    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.


    Ah shur that's to be taken as artistic license, but that Storm has lived on in history for nearly 180 years at this stage. Obviously its use for pension dating helped keep it in the public consciousness. The records of huge damage at the time are there in the archives. In my own home town, up to a mile of Labourers cottages were burned to the ground that night as the flames raced from the start of the row to the end.

    There's huge substance to that night and that memory lasted through the Famine period immediately after and on through all the chaos since.

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    [PDF]*The Night of the Big Wind
    https://www.met.ie › Jan1839_Storm

    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&sourc...Fl_YSij3YxDELJ


    There's an excellent summary of the "Night Of The Big Wind" on the pdf above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    There was much pre-storm talk along the line of this being the strongest hurricane ever in the East Atlantic. It really wasn't that extraordinary in terms of what we actually got.

    What category Hurricane was the Storm of Oíche na Gaoithe Móire in 1839 and could we see another monster like that again if the Atlantic is warming?



    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.iris...684%3fmode=amp
    what i read was that Ophelia was the strongest Atlantic storm in the last century - i was tracking it cos it formed East of the Azores (Santa Maria was at risk at some point) and North of Madeira Island (where my mom lives) ..

    so dunno about your sources there in Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by random new yorker View Post
    what i read was that Ophelia was the strongest Atlantic storm in the last century - i was tracking it cos it formed East of the Azores (Santa Maria was at risk at some point) and North of Madeira Island (where my mom lives) ..

    so dunno about your sources there in Ireland


    With Portugal being so much further South than Ireland and with warmer seas there than off Ireland. Does it get Hurricane force winds regularly, or does it escape because it's too far South?

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    With Portugal being so much further South than Ireland and with warmer seas there than off Ireland. Does it get Hurricane force winds regularly, or does it escape because it's too far South?
    no hurricane force winds in Portugal as far as i know but the weather was very warm and dry for the season and Ophelia blew enough wind their way to push electric poles to breaking point and make what was a bad situation into the second catastrophe of the year ...

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    Lisbon and Galway are at the same longitude, 9W. I suspect the more northerly aspect of the trade winds protect Lisbon more than Galway. Either way, Ophelia was the most easterly hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic.
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