The Supernatural

[fluffybiscuits]

Funny this thread should catch my eye again...

My mam told me tonight she was walking the block. As she was coming down the road near home she heard a horses hooves on the road making the clip clop up the road . She turned and there was no horse at all. This is not the first time it has happened she said, anyone any theories?....

[bernadette]

Funny this thread should catch my eye again...

My mam told me tonight she was walking the block. As she was coming down the road near home she heard a horses hooves on the road making the clip clop up the road . She turned and there was no horse at all. This is not the first time it has happened she said, anyone any theories?....

You're in Ireland and this sounds like one of those wonderful ghost stories, these islands are their natural home be thankful its not Amytiville...

You could check locally to find out if there was an accident involving horses anywhere nearby, usually in the same street.

I think there are spirits and they possibly have an affinity to certain animals.

[fluffybiscuits]

You're in Ireland and this sounds like one of those wonderful ghost stories, these islands are their natural home be thankful its not Amytiville...

You could check locally to find out if there was an accident involving horses anywhere nearby, usually in the same street.

I think there are spirits and they possibly have an affinity to certain animals.

Cromwell was said to have marched up the road years ago...!

[bernadette]

Cromwell was said to have marched up the road years ago...!

Oh come on! Everyone knows Cromwells been haunting Ireland for centuries...Nice try but must do better!

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

I read recently that something like four million Americans believe they have been abducted by aliens.

They aren't making it up but may be those who experience sleep paralysis- their accounts are similar in that they feel powerless to move and it seems from their descriptions of aliens and alien craft that they are replicating the most recent high profile movies which feature such props.

My point being that the subsconscious mind will reach for an explanation and find one. In the case of an evocative place lof smells, familiar sights and perhaps a particular time of day then on hearing a sound in the distance the subconscious mind will take over where the conscious mind finds no immediate explanation.

In a sense ghosts do exist. But they inhabit our subconscious. That makes me sound dismissive and I don't intend that- ghosts from our subconscious are just as interesting to me as those who waft along castle battlements or appear at leaded windows at dusk.

Ghosts do exist. Just not in the world inhabited by our conscious minds. They are no less powerful for all that. Ghosts are useful creatures because they tell a story or carry messages from the real underworld to the apparent world in which we move.

Thats my take on it anyway.

[fluffybiscuits]

Oh come on! Everyone knows Cromwells been haunting Ireland for centuries...Nice try but must do better!

First figure that popped into my head

I read recently that something like four million Americans believe they have been abducted by aliens.

They aren't making it up but may be those who experience sleep paralysis- their accounts are similar in that they feel powerless to move and it seems from their descriptions of aliens and alien craft that they are replicating the most recent high profile movies which feature such props.

My point being that the subsconscious mind will reach for an explanation and find one. In the case of an evocative place lof smells, familiar sights and perhaps a particular time of day then on hearing a sound in the distance the subconscious mind will take over where the conscious mind finds no immediate explanation.

In a sense ghosts do exist. But they inhabit our subconscious. That makes me sound dismissive and I don't intend that- ghosts from our subconscious are just as interesting to me as those who waft along castle battlements or appear at leaded windows at dusk.

Ghosts do exist. Just not in the world inhabited by our conscious minds. They are no less powerful for all that. Ghosts are useful creatures because they tell a story or carry messages from the real underworld to the apparent world in which we move.

Thats my take on it anyway.

Ghosts are like a particle of light, we can encode information on them and then when we push forward with our subconcious we can release these memories which may manifest itself as ghosts. In a lost of hauntings where there have been poltergeists have been involved, there has been in a lot of cases young teenagers involved. One theory which was proposed in numerous books and is rasied often in the Fortean Times is that these poltergeists are a manifestation of energy from the young mind, that the sudden rush of hormones in puberty triggers some sort of psychic projection but that this is perfectly normal.

Dreams (and again this is coming back to Freud) are our minds way of sorting through the events of the day. Sleep paralysis is like the minds filing system working itself through the various scenarios of the day and therefore rearranging them. Alien abduction is a silly concept but sleep paralysis is not, it pretty much explains most alien abductions. If someone came up to me and said they were abducted by aliens I would tell them "U.F.Off"

[Trow]

There was thunder and lightening earlier this afternoon as i decided to visit the local chapel and converse with a Priest about my Supernatural encounters.

I guess Thor and co had a mission for me and as the clouds dispersed and the Sun shone i began the journey.

It's with hindsight and not without forewarning i realised myself that this in itself was a Supernatural journey.

Nearing the Chapel and being cautious of the road before crossing i glanced a fair haired figure coming down the side of the road i was about to depart. I paid no particular attention yet sensed a reason to cross just then.

I entered the Chapel, sought the font of Holy Water, touched a pimple at the corner of my eye and made a sign of a cross on my body and entered. I walked up the Isle between the pews and was fixated on the sculpture of a man nailed to a cross before me and above an alter.

I can relate to your sufferings i thought of the man persecuted, humiliated and pained and so i knelt on one knee and bowed in recognition that we were equal men.

The strangest thing happened.

Over my shoulder i heard the sound of squishy feet entering and approaching. By this time i was into a telepathic chat with Jesus and listened as that squishing sound neared but turning sharply as the rythm of the sound changed to sneaky.

There i glanced again that fair haired person i crossed the road in front of just moments before. Crouched figure holding onto the last row of pews.

I turned back, heard footsteps leave and a door close.

Decided, seeing as no-one else was around i'd make my way to the Priests house behind the Chapel and concluded my discussion with Jesus with a best as could be remembered ''Mathew Mark Luke and John, bless this pew that i'm about to fall asleep on'' and so on and left after another kneel and ''see you later big lad'' nod of the head.

Walking out past the last pews were the fair haired mysterious stranger appeared i noticed his soaking footprints on the carpet.

From the door were he had entered there was a marked variation in the footsteps going from soaking full patern to what i would call hoof marks left in the wet.

''My God it was the Devil himself!''

Or was it? Remember i said earlier ''sneaky sounds?'' I realised that yes perhaps this was the work of the Devil in that that wet footed person raised on to his tip toes to silence his approach. [thus leaving the hoof like marks]

When i turned and eyed him he left. What was his intentions i wonder?

As it happened thereafter the Priest was not at home and as i walked back down that long road to Damascus lane i pondered a Jesus biblical quote were he teaches of how to reach God ''Knock and the door shall be opened.''

It thundered again as i penned this and i find some meaning in today's events.

[bernadette]

I read recently that something like four million Americans believe they have been abducted by aliens.

They aren't making it up but may be those who experience sleep paralysis- their accounts are similar in that they feel powerless to move and it seems from their descriptions of aliens and alien craft that they are replicating the most recent high profile movies which feature such props.

My point being that the subsconscious mind will reach for an explanation and find one. In the case of an evocative place lof smells, familiar sights and perhaps a particular time of day then on hearing a sound in the distance the subconscious mind will take over where the conscious mind finds no immediate explanation.

In a sense ghosts do exist. But they inhabit our subconscious. That makes me sound dismissive and I don't intend that- ghosts from our subconscious are just as interesting to me as those who waft along castle battlements or appear at leaded windows at dusk.

Ghosts do exist. Just not in the world inhabited by our conscious minds. They are no less powerful for all that. Ghosts are useful creatures because they tell a story or carry messages from the real underworld to the apparent world in which we move.

Thats my take on it anyway.

First figure that popped into my head




Ghosts are like a particle of light, we can encode information on them and then when we push forward with our subconcious we can release these memories which may manifest itself as ghosts. In a lost of hauntings where there have been poltergeists have been involved, there has been in a lot of cases young teenagers involved. One theory which was proposed in numerous books and is rasied often in the Fortean Times is that these poltergeists are a manifestation of energy from the young mind, that the sudden rush of hormones in puberty triggers some sort of psychic projection but that this is perfectly normal.

Dreams (and again this is coming back to Freud) are our minds way of sorting through the events of the day. Sleep paralysis is like the minds filing system working itself through the various scenarios of the day and therefore rearranging them. Alien abduction is a silly concept but sleep paralysis is not, it pretty much explains most alien abductions. If someone came up to me and said they were abducted by aliens I would tell them "U.F.Off"

Fluffybiscuit

And since the spirit can appear as such a thought you may be right.

CaptainCon

I believe there are spirits there are too many stories of the reaction of animals when confronted by them. Perhaps its a life unfulfilled, or perhaps its no such thing but instead a place the old ones keep, but I do believe there have been too many apparitions for them all to be imagination......

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Well here again is where science and aristotelian rationality may converge with the supernatural in human affairs.

I was reading recently that it is now technically possible to store data in DNA strands. I believe an experiment has been done where a book (which, I do not know) has successfully been imprinted/stored on DNA.

The implications are enormous of course in a world where there is an arms race to store as much information as possible on the micro receiver ever smaller and smaller and it appears that we may soon be able to do away with the chip/precious metal medium altogether.

I expect that one may be able to buy a spaniel pup in about 20 years and have it encoded with all your data storage requirements. It may take some time to teach it to sit still while one downloads ZombieRambo XXII of course....

Given the snuffling around the quantum mechanics area by mathematicians and physicists we may all have our own personal data ghost which appears and disappears at will in due course.

I'd quite like a data-camel, a behumped apparition that I can summon and make disappear at will.

An anticipated data encoding and quantum dimension convergence sounds very like a mathematical construct of the traditional 'spirit' to me.

[bernadette]

Well here again is where science and aristotelian rationality may converge with the supernatural in human affairs.

I was reading recently that it is now technically possible to store data in DNA strands. I believe an experiment has been done where a book (which, I do not know) has successfully been imprinted/stored on DNA.

The implications are enormous of course in a world where there is an arms race to store as much information as possible on the micro receiver ever smaller and smaller and it appears that we may soon be able to do away with the chip/precious metal medium altogether.

I expect that one may be able to buy a spaniel pup in about 20 years and have it encoded with all your data storage requirements. It may take some time to teach it to sit still while one downloads ZombieRambo XXII of course....

Given the snuffling around the quantum mechanics area by mathematicians and physicists we may all have our own personal data ghost which appears and disappears at will in due course.

I'd quite like a data-camel, a behumped apparition that I can summon and make disappear at will.

An anticipated data encoding and quantum dimension convergence sounds very like a mathematical construct of the traditional 'spirit' to me.

In a way the internet has made 'ghosting' relatively easy. All these stories of sock puppets, if true...are nothing more than the spirit of their owner sent into the web to irritate the hell out of rational people who only have one pseudonym...

When the world ends the internet will continue manned by all those socks like zombies.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

True. At some point some Israeli internet software is going to bump into some Stormfront software and cause a loop argument that will slow the entire internet down to a crawl. While the central internet steam-valve gets hotter and hotter....

[Trow]

True. At some point some Israeli internet software is going to bump into some Stormfront software and cause a loop argument that will slow the entire internet down to a crawl. While the central internet steam-valve gets hotter and hotter....

You're turning me on.

[fluffybiscuits]

Well here again is where science and aristotelian rationality may converge with the supernatural in human affairs.

I was reading recently that it is now technically possible to store data in DNA strands. I believe an experiment has been done where a book (which, I do not know) has successfully been imprinted/stored on DNA.

The implications are enormous of course in a world where there is an arms race to store as much information as possible on the micro receiver ever smaller and smaller and it appears that we may soon be able to do away with the chip/precious metal medium altogether.

I expect that one may be able to buy a spaniel pup in about 20 years and have it encoded with all your data storage requirements. It may take some time to teach it to sit still while one downloads ZombieRambo XXII of course....

Given the snuffling around the quantum mechanics area by mathematicians and physicists we may all have our own personal data ghost which appears and disappears at will in due course.

I'd quite like a data-camel, a behumped apparition that I can summon and make disappear at will.

An anticipated data encoding and quantum dimension convergence sounds very like a mathematical construct of the traditional 'spirit' to me.

This would mean that a secret file could be inserted into a virus and carried by a person, the uses of this technology are endless! Did you see that information can be stored in light particles also. All this will in years to come lead to quantam computing..

http://www.trnmag.com/Stories/2001/1...ed_111401.html

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

I think it has come up a few times on this thread that the areas out on the edge of research in physics resembles more each passing year in comparison and explanation what used to be called 'magick'.

With the quantum world we have already demonstrated successfully in the lab that we can reach a tiny way into another dimension- somewhere that demonstrably cannot be observed by the human eye or even our finest instrumentation.

All we can do is observe the effect on its sub-atomic partner in this dimension. Teleportation is possible and has been achieved albeit in the tiniest of ways.

I find it curious that in the zone of esoteric physics and mathematics we reach for a familiar language in our cultures- an 'otherworld' we theoretically can show exists but that we cannot enter.

[bernadette]

I think it has come up a few times on this thread that the areas out on the edge of research in physics resembles more each passing year in comparison and explanation what used to be called 'magick'.

With the quantum world we have already demonstrated successfully in the lab that we can reach a tiny way into another dimension- somewhere that demonstrably cannot be observed by the human eye or even our finest instrumentation.

All we can do is observe the effect on its sub-atomic partner in this dimension. Teleportation is possible and has been achieved albeit in the tiniest of ways.

I find it curious that in the zone of esoteric physics and mathematics we reach for a familiar language in our cultures- an 'otherworld' we theoretically can show exists but that we cannot enter.

What is demonstrated is how little we know and how much our ancestors were aware of that. It may be that they reached in ways we have lost to find and see the otherwhere/s.