The Supernatural

[Trow]

Yes but we have grown and now we know that we what we become depends to a very great extent on our experiences. There are mental conditions and emotional problems but most of them will stem from the lives we live. only one or two major mental conditions are from chemical imbalances and even they can be dormant until triggered by events.

Before we lose ourselves here I'll contend again that very often people are misdiagnosed as being depressed etc when in fact they've come into contact with a supernatural entity.

Behavioural change is the first notable symptom. It's the type of behavioural change that pin points which demon has got into a person.

Of the active underworld entities in Ireland the ''Trow'' and it's elk are the most common and most dangerous. Their quest to co exist with humans involves possession and then mating with/through humans to produce an off spring known as changlings.

From the moment of possession the host becomes a changling and so any future children become the same were disease and deformity occurs along with a trend of misfortune and accidents around the Quarter days.

These entities are not of our World and so the disease factor strikes. Lives of wreck and ruin are the consequence.

When you speak of ''the extent of our experiences'' as a factor in developing mental conditions and so on you have to allow room for demonic type possession as a contributing cause.

If you've never had such an encounter there's little i can say or do to convince you otherwise although you were invited to the grove to see for yourself remember?

I'd have jumped at the chance. Still, if there's anyone out there with all that ghost busting equipment or whatever, pm me and we'll apply the science to the place.

[bernadette]

Before we lose ourselves here I'll contend again that very often people are misdiagnosed as being depressed etc when in fact they've come into contact with a supernatural entity.

Behavioural change is the first notable symptom. It's the type of behavioural change that pin points which demon has got into a person.

Of the active underworld entities in Ireland the ''Trow'' and it's elk are the most common and most dangerous. Their quest to co exist with humans involves possession and then mating with/through humans to produce an off spring known as changlings.

From the moment of possession the host becomes a changling and so any future children become the same were disease and deformity occurs along with a trend of misfortune and accidents around the Quarter days.

These entities are not of our World and so the disease factor strikes. Lives of wreck and ruin are the consequence.

When you speak of ''the extent of our experiences'' as a factor in developing mental conditions and so on you have to allow room for demonic type possession as a contributing cause.

If you've never had such an encounter there's little i can say or do to convince you otherwise although you were invited to the grove to see for yourself remember?

I'd have jumped at the chance. Still, if there's anyone out there with all that ghost busting equipment or whatever, pm me and we'll apply the science to the place.

The problem Trow is that you're talking about something none of us can know. If I went to your grove, a place of myth and magic to you, for me might be no more than a few trees with overhanging branches . We create our own groves. The old ones are neither good or bad they like us simply are.

A few weeks ago I found an old house. The real thing, rough stone upon rough stone and flagstone floors. No roof but the flagstone floors were still in tact. One wall was missing but the other three held and so did the dividing wall between the front and back. It was a magical place right enough, and the solitary rabbit I disturbed there was almost certainly enjoying a peaceful evening meal, and not the Goddess out in the sun. Sure anyone would confirm that! but would they be right?

We all take from our faith, whatever that faith is, and if what we take is fear then we are missing the green and the light. I have no problem visiting your grove but I doubt I would see what you see.

The geraniums have seen off the buttercups! Mind the roses are drooping in the everlasting rain. Now I must get rid of the pesky, slimy, slugs...They slither. Its not nice...



The devil is a christian invention.

[Trow]

The problem Trow is that you're talking about something none of us can know. If I went to your grove, a place of myth and magic to you, for me might be no more than a few trees with overhanging branches . We create our own groves. The old ones are neither good or bad they like us simply are.

A few weeks ago I found an old house. The real thing, rough stone upon rough stone and flagstone floors. No roof but the flagstone floors were still in tact. One wall was missing but the other three held and so did the dividing wall between the front and back. It was a magical place right enough, and the solitary rabbit I disturbed there was almost certainly enjoying a peaceful evening meal, and not the Goddess out in the sun. Sure anyone would confirm that! but would they be right?

We all take from our faith, whatever that faith is, and if what we take is fear then we are missing the green and the light. I have no problem visiting your grove but I doubt I would see what you see.

The geraniums have seen off the buttercups! Mind the roses are drooping in the everlasting rain. Now I must get rid of the pesky, slimy, slugs...They slither. Its not nice...

The devil is a christian invention.

''The Devil'' is a Christian interpretation of the underworld entities that co-exist on this planet with you and me and everyone else. They round it all off into one being but allow for ''the devil appears in many forms.'' Hence the separate entities found in lore.
Aside, you'll find mention of fairy like entities in the Koran also, so not soley a Christian invention if you want to call it that.

I beg to differ, if i were to introduce you to the grove you'd see what i have seen. Trow are not a bit shy about approaching humans especially if you are unprotected. By the way, old houses are their favourite haunts. Especially those on remote farmlands, near woods and water.

I've taken people to the grove in the past, a few got a home visit from underworld entities such as phantom dogs or have fallen into misfortune by way of ill health [sudden] and often premature death.

I've taken people and they've seen and heard the Trow, a green coloured dog, the guardian spirits and more. A little test to prove it was'nt just an overactive imagination and of the casualties who ran to a Priest afterwards i got landed with the title of a devil worshipper.

Not so, i don't worship anyone or anything, i just have an interest in the things that dwell along side us on this planet that can't be readily explained and have been there long before there was a Pope in Rome.

I can interact with these underworld entities and innocently came into contact with them as a kid. To me, the Trow was an old tramp who lived in a ruined house on the hill. Soon found out the truth.

Indeed you would see Bernadette but could you handle it? Imagine the sense of overwhelming awe if you were to see such a non human underworld entity co-existing with you in real time.

Seeing is believing for many, i lay the gauntlet for the sceptics.

[bernadette]

''The Devil'' is a Christian interpretation of the underworld entities that co-exist on this planet with you and me and everyone else. They round it all off into one being but allow for ''the devil appears in many forms.'' Hence the separate entities found in lore.
Aside, you'll find mention of fairy like entities in the Koran also, so not soley a Christian invention if you want to call it that.

I beg to differ, if i were to introduce you to the grove you'd see what i have seen. Trow are not a bit shy about approaching humans especially if you are unprotected. By the way, old houses are their favourite haunts. Especially those on remote farmlands, near woods and water.

I've taken people to the grove in the past, a few got a home visit from underworld entities such as phantom dogs or have fallen into misfortune by way of ill health [sudden] and often premature death.

I've taken people and they've seen and heard the Trow, a green coloured dog, the guardian spirits and more. A little test to prove it was'nt just an overactive imagination and of the casualties who ran to a Priest afterwards i got landed with the title of a devil worshipper.

Not so, i don't worship anyone or anything, i just have an interest in the things that dwell along side us on this planet that can't be readily explained and have been there long before there was a Pope in Rome.

I can interact with these underworld entities and innocently came into contact with them as a kid. To me, the Trow was an old tramp who lived in a ruined house on the hill. Soon found out the truth.

Indeed you would see Bernadette but could you handle it? Imagine the sense of overwhelming awe if you were to see such a non human underworld entity co-existing with you in real time.

Seeing is believing for many, i lay the gauntlet for the sceptics.

What makes you think I haven't seen. I believe in the Craft Trow its all inside; the weakness and the power.

If you believe in devils you believe in hell and if you believe in hell you believe in heaven. You might as well call yourself a christian and have done with it. I've recently started to write what may or may not become a ghost story. I believe in the power, of the world and of the mind.

We create the darkness and we must raise the light ourselves. You can't think: this is a bad demon I will find a good one. You must think this is unhealthy I will deal with it myself, that's the power harnessing it is up to you.

Many older people upon walking into a house, before they say anything else, will say *Blessings be on this house and all in it* The saying itself is much older than christianity. Its us giving good to the house that welcomes us. .

Time was a chieftain or king would capture his enemy, torture him and then cut him into four casting the quarters to the four corners of his realm, thereby taking the strength of the enemy into his land and strengthening the land. If it happened today all I can say is there would be some very bloody computers about...

If you believe that your grove can make some people ill or possessed what are you doing taking them there? You should be asking the Trow what is the problem that keeps him somewhere he appears to be unhappy. If a grove or any place is unhealthy the chances are the spirits there are not happy. If there is a problem should you not be trying to help solve it rather than believing in the misery of it?

[Trow]

What makes you think I haven't seen. I believe in the Craft Trow its all inside; the weakness and the power.

If you believe that your grove can make some people ill or possessed what are you doing taking them there? You should be asking the Trow what is the problem that keeps him somewhere he appears to be unhappy. If a grove or any place is unhealthy the chances are the spirits there are not happy. If there is a problem should you not be trying to help solve it rather than believing in the misery of it?

I don't take anyone to the grove unless they go protected. That does'nt stop them seeing what's there. Those who died were already affected through previous contact having ventured to the place and not knowing what was there. To better explain i took various groups to show them what was there.

I'm not so sure it's an unhappy presence. These entities exist and the local clergy are well aware but decide to let them be. Why? Why can't they drive them back to were they belong with their ritual and holy water with latin words?

You have to understand that these entities of the underworld like nothing more than to interbreed with humans. You can be possessed by one without realising or even ever seeing one manifest.

Drui knew how to control and direct them against their enemies, that knowledge was lost although there are amulets and the likes which protect from them.
Venture to this place during phases of the Quarter days and you'll encounter them.

Samhain is a must visit for the sceptic. Venture in and mention God/Jesus and you'll be bombarded with the words ''**** Jesus'' Were does that come from? I can assure you it's not the imagination.

There's a problem alright and i'm about the only one openly challenging that reality and i'll be having it out with the clergy in due course.

[bernadette]

I don't take anyone to the grove unless they go protected. That does'nt stop them seeing what's there. Those who died were already affected through previous contact having ventured to the place and not knowing what was there. To better explain i took various groups to show them what was there.

I'm not so sure it's an unhappy presence. These entities exist and the local clergy are well aware but decide to let them be. Why? Why can't they drive them back to were they belong with their ritual and holy water with latin words?

You have to understand that these entities of the underworld like nothing more than to interbreed with humans. You can be possessed by one without realising or even ever seeing one manifest.

Drui knew how to control and direct them against their enemies, that knowledge was lost although there are amulets and the likes which protect from them.
Venture to this place during phases of the Quarter days and you'll encounter them.

Samhain is a must visit for the sceptic. Venture in and mention God/Jesus and you'll be bombarded with the words ''**** Jesus'' Were does that come from? I can assure you it's not the imagination.

There's a problem alright and i'm about the only one openly challenging that reality and i'll be having it out with the clergy in due course.

Is it evil then Trow? Samhain is a must wherever we are. A spirit is not in itself evil. I don't believe that. If there is a problem and since the old ones occupy the same space we do they must have their share of problems. Interbreeding? Interesting theory but people encompass every emotion and every evil we need no outside assistance although there may be some.

Shakespeare wrote Midsummer Nights Dream and it acknowledges the possibility of mating and the fairies themselves in a humourous way. It depends on us on what we want to see and feel. I don't think of the old ones in a sexual way, I must be too old.

Should anyone try to control the old ones and why challenge the clergy? They for all their airs and graces know no more than anyone else. If they did they would try to exorcise the grove. Is that what you want?

We live our lives and so far as possible it should be in harmony with the all the fauna and flora who share our planet and our dimension. Hold your faith close Trow and explore its possibilities in love.

[Trow]

Is it evil then Trow? Samhain is a must wherever we are. A spirit is not in itself evil. I don't believe that. If there is a problem and since the old ones occupy the same space we do they must have their share of problems. Interbreeding? Interesting theory but people encompass every emotion and every evil we need no outside assistance although there may be some.

Shakespeare wrote Midsummer Nights Dream and it acknowledges the possibility of mating and the fairies themselves in a humourous way. It depends on us on what we want to see and feel. I don't think of the old ones in a sexual way, I must be too old.

Should anyone try to control the old ones and why challenge the clergy? They for all their airs and graces know no more than anyone else. If they did they would try to exorcise the grove. Is that what you want?

We live our lives and so far as possible it should be in harmony with the all the fauna and flora who share our planet and our dimension. Hold your faith close Trow and explore its possibilities in love.

Have you any idea what Trow and other underworld entities do to Drui in the afterlife? You're a believer in the trinity of things so let me explain that in my life i won't ever get credit or praise for the good that i do. As outcasts were shunned by the community, so too is my lot in this life.

I have done many good things, miraculous things at times and have stayed many battles and brought peace were there was none. I'm singing my own praises here now.

This Samhain i'm going back to the grove to challenge the Trow for my Soul. You see, i've never took protection to the grove, a demonstration of bravery and or an acceptance of the right to co-exist. The Trow had unfinished business with me but i went there and stood up to him. He **** on me again but that's the norm, a year and a day away. Aint so bad.

Need to lift the curse Bernadette, i can handle it but Trow has taken to attacking my children with disease and misfortune. One Son having recently crippled himself in a motorcycle accident fell again during therapy at home and broke his pelvis during Solstice. One daughter has the same disease as me with my youngest pulling through a serious kidney infection at Christmas. I performed a ritual on him in the intensive care room. It sent alarms blaring on just about every machine he was plugged in to. He went from almost dead to cured in a matter of days.

I've got the power.

[Kev Bar]

Have you any idea what Trow and other underworld entities do to Drui in the afterlife? You're a believer in the trinity of things so let me explain that in my life i won't ever get credit or praise for the good that i do. As outcasts were shunned by the community, so too is my lot in this life.

I have done many good things, miraculous things at times and have stayed many battles and brought peace were there was none. I'm singing my own praises here now.

This Samhain i'm going back to the grove to challenge the Trow for my Soul. You see, i've never took protection to the grove, a demonstration of bravery and or an acceptance of the right to co-exist. The Trow had unfinished business with me but i went there and stood up to him. He **** on me again but that's the norm, a year and a day away. Aint so bad.

Need to lift the curse Bernadette, i can handle it but Trow has taken to attacking my children with disease and misfortune. One Son having recently crippled himself in a motorcycle accident fell again during therapy at home and broke his pelvis during Solstice. One daughter has the same disease as me with my youngest pulling through a serious kidney infection at Christmas. I performed a ritual on him in the intensive care room. It sent alarms blaring on just about every machine he was plugged in to. He went from almost dead to cured in a matter of days.

I've got the power.

Zap a little in the direction of my organs please!

[Trow]

Zap a little in the direction of my organs please!

Liver?

[bernadette]

Have you any idea what Trow and other underworld entities do to Drui in the afterlife? You're a believer in the trinity of things so let me explain that in my life i won't ever get credit or praise for the good that i do. As outcasts were shunned by the community, so too is my lot in this life.

I have done many good things, miraculous things at times and have stayed many battles and brought peace were there was none. I'm singing my own praises here now.

This Samhain i'm going back to the grove to challenge the Trow for my Soul. You see, i've never took protection to the grove, a demonstration of bravery and or an acceptance of the right to co-exist. The Trow had unfinished business with me but i went there and stood up to him. He **** on me again but that's the norm, a year and a day away. Aint so bad.

Need to lift the curse Bernadette, i can handle it but Trow has taken to attacking my children with disease and misfortune. One Son having recently crippled himself in a motorcycle accident fell again during therapy at home and broke his pelvis during Solstice. One daughter has the same disease as me with my youngest pulling through a serious kidney infection at Christmas. I performed a ritual on him in the intensive care room. It sent alarms blaring on just about every machine he was plugged in to. He went from almost dead to cured in a matter of days.

I've got the power.

Have I any idea what the Trow do to the Drui in the afterlife? No, and nor does anyone else, what they may know is what others say they have seen, but such stories change from person to person. I like many believers in the craft lean toward reincarnation, not totally who can know, and I don't particularly like the idea of it, but I think its as likely as any, more likely than some and better than rotting in the dirt or burning to a crisp. As a believer in the Craft I really dislike the idea of cremation!

I'm sorry about your familys health problems. I hope everyones health improves and you all recover soon. and, of course, you are right to practice your faith to bring health and balance to your family and friends

The power is always within Trow. May yours grow in wisdom.
Recognising the power within is so important to living with all the inhabitants of this planet.

[bernadette]

Zap a little in the direction of my organs please!

Which organ and why??

[Trow]

Have I any idea what the Trow do to the Drui in the afterlife? No, and nor does anyone else.

I'm sorry about your familys health problems. I hope everyones health improves and you all recover soon. and, of course, you are right to practice your faith to bring health and balance to your family and friends

The power is always within Trow. May yours grow in wisdom.
Recognising the power within is so important to living with all the inhabitants of this planet.

In the beginning there was a bright shining light [my own personal journey] and a voice, yeah i know, but the voice told me ''I have a great journey for you.'' Soon after i began to encounter underworld entities.

I've come through a life of wreck and ruin and all i have is my wisdom learned from the turmoil.

I sense an end to this ''great journey'' and i seek closure, a happy ending. What i do with the short time that's left determines all that i truly am. Out of that grove, that forbidden place will emerge the enlightened. I won't be that young boy who's life was stolen, changed and directed by forces beyond my control back then but i will shine with the aura of life and innocence i once held.

Where would you get it? Real life demon busting online.

[bernadette]

In the beginning there was a bright shining light [my own personal journey] and a voice, yeah i know, but the voice told me ''I have a great journey for you.'' Soon after i began to encounter underworld entities.

I've come through a life of wreck and ruin and all i have is my wisdom learned from the turmoil.

I sense an end to this ''great journey'' and i seek closure, a happy ending. What i do with the short time that's left determines all that i truly am. Out of that grove, that forbidden place will emerge the enlightened. I won't be that young boy who's life was stolen, changed and directed by forces beyond my control back then but i will shine with the aura of life and innocence i once held.

Where would you get it? Real life demon busting online.

I hope what sounds like some traumatic experiences have indeed left you wise in years and experience.

Why should you sense an ending? If you do that need not be the ending you may imagine. It may be movement from one to another. I'm being careful because I know nothing about you and the last thing I want is to sound like that appalling Wayne on TV3 crap.

Its important to try to achieve a clarity and in pursuit of that physical exercise is as important as meditation, casting or prayer. If there are health issues you must of course get medical attention and take the advice/medication given, but that need not prevent you casting and exercising in your own way and for your own ends.

You are strong Trow employ that strength to heal from within.

Blessings.

[Trow]

Why should you sense an ending?

My death was foretold in the grove many moons ago, i am nearing that time. Afore i go i sure would like to see the grove again and face the Trow one last time but for the first time with the amulets that protect.

They don't take kindly to personal requests, asking of favours or leaving gifts. I have, down the years made my peace with all else in the grove, i am called the taker and bringer of life. [Note the order]

A Trow just does as a Trow does, if you're unprotected he'll possess you and wreck havoc in your life. There's no getting in with them.

I am convinced that through the knowledge which has come onto me i might break the spell. A fantastic adventure or a delusion to the onlooker but for myself and through this practice it's novocaine for the Soul.

I don't know what's going to happen when i enter that place for the final time. I'll know more if and when i come back out.
There are a whole lot of ghosts for me there, aside the underworld entities there are some friends who came about death in many ways be it through hanging themselves on the trees there, being murdered, killed in battles, dying young of disease or simply wasting to the grave.

I'm the last left of a lost generation who ventured there as children were all our futures were foretold. I recall one friend crying as it was revealed all those years ago that she'd die young from cancer. She did. Peter was to be murdered, he was. And the rest........same so.

Don't worry i told them, i'll find a way back to undo it all. Whatever awaits me there may take my own life but not without a fight.

Stay well Bernadette, i need time out.

[bernadette]

My death was foretold in the grove many moons ago, i am nearing that time. Afore i go i sure would like to see the grove again and face the Trow one last time but for the first time with the amulets that protect.

They don't take kindly to personal requests, asking of favours or leaving gifts. I have, down the years made my peace with all else in the grove, i am called the taker and bringer of life. [Note the order]

A Trow just does as a Trow does, if you're unprotected he'll possess you and wreck havoc in your life. There's no getting in with them.

I am convinced that through the knowledge which has come onto me i might break the spell. A fantastic adventure or a delusion to the onlooker but for myself and through this practice it's novocaine for the Soul.

I don't know what's going to happen when i enter that place for the final time. I'll know more if and when i come back out.
There are a whole lot of ghosts for me there, aside the underworld entities there are some friends who came about death in many ways be it through hanging themselves on the trees there, being murdered, killed in battles, dying young of disease or simply wasting to the grave.

I'm the last left of a lost generation who ventured there as children were all our futures were foretold. I recall one friend crying as it was revealed all those years ago that she'd die young from cancer. She did. Peter was to be murdered, he was. And the rest........same so.

Don't worry i told them, i'll find a way back to undo it all. Whatever awaits me there may take my own life but not without a fight.

Stay well Bernadette, i need time out.

Go in peace and strength Trow and remember the timing is up to you.

Blessings