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    Introduction to Sinn Fein's economic policy, 2010

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/19367

    Policy Document - "Better Way Forward" - October 2010

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/SFeconomypro.pdf
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    Default Re: Sinn Fein - Economic Policy - Better Way Forward - Oct. 2010

    I don't know about a better way but you have to give them credit for at least looking for a way.

    We have got to face facts here, our leaders (opposition included) are incapable of finding a way and it will be up to small left parties to try to protect and defend the people.

    Time though is of the essence and is running out fast.
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    D Looney on twitter just said that Labour should talk to Sinn Fein, not FG, about coalition.

    This is an extract from the introduction to a "Better Way Forward".
    Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams MP MLA was joined this morning by the party’s ministerial team and finance spokesperson Mitchel McLaughlin for the launch of an economic document setting out a series of proposals to deal with the current economic difficulties. (Document available to download at the GET PDF link above)

    Speaking at the launch in Stormont, Mr Adams said:

    “Sinn Féin wants to build a consensus to protect jobs, public services and the most vulnerable from the planned Tory cuts.

    “Creidim go bhfuil slí níos fearr ann d’muintir na hÉireann.

    “In recent months citizens have been told by some politicians that there is no alternative. That cuts are inevitable. This is wrong. Ní glacann Sinn Féin leis.

    “Sinn Féin believes that the Tory approach of trying to cut a way out of the recession is deeply flawed and must be opposed. There is an alternative.

    “Is féidir linn todhchaí níos fear a thógáil.

    “Sinn Féin has argued for an alliance between political parties, the Trade Unions, communities, and business to oppose any cuts.

    “I am pleased that other political parties are now adopting this position. Tús maith leath na hoibre!

    “This mornings paper, ‘There is a Better Way’ sets out Sinn Féin’s alternative strategy and our ideas and proposals for dealing with the current economic crisis.

    “Sinn Féin is determined to protect frontline services and in particular the most vulnerable in our society who rely on public services for survival.

    “A team of party activists, under the direction of our Finance spokesperson Mitchel McLaughlin, have developed these proposals and have passed them to economists and other experts as part of the preparation of this document.

    “Sinn Féin’s proposals are about tackling waste, saving money, raising revenue, and investing this to create jobs, build infrastructure and protect public services. They will bring in almost £1.9 billion in combined savings and new revenue.
    I believe Sam Lord is taking an interest in this and am looking forward to his views.

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    This document is actually for the 6 counties but one presumes that the same sort of dross will be applied to the 26.

    It is lavishly illustrated with photographs of giant cranes of the sort that used to adorn the Dublin skyline....

    The central thesis is that, "There is clear choice between trying to cut your way out of a recession versus investing your way out of a recession. Many governments, including the US, haven chosen the latter ...."

    I don't think anyone looking at the state of the american economy is going to be too enthused by this.

    Like everyone else thet think they can get us back to where we were before (hence the cranes) ... they just have a better way of doing this. It is an absurdity.

    There is absolutely no criticism of the existing socio-economic system. Not one radical suggestion. Just a bit of tinkering here and there that we are supposed to believe is going to solve some essential problem.

    People really need to wake up and smell the coffee..
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    D Looney on twitter just said that Labour should talk to Sinn Fein, not FG, about coalition.

    This is an extract from the introduction to a "Better Way Forward".


    I believe Sam Lord is taking an interest in this and am looking forward to his views.
    There are millions to be saved across the public sector if only things were looked a t in a different way. Outside the box so to speak.

    But there is a marked reluctance to look at things in a different way. The slash and burn policies of our present incumbents are the lazy man's way to deal with things.

    Basically, its the easiest way to either hold onto or collect the monies that the government can think of.

    Like I said the lazy man's way.

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    Sam's right about being wary of the US- there's another couple of storms to hit there yet... it looks like they are going to try again to get credit-blood circulating around their system but just printing another $850billion into an economy that has 26% of its mortgagees struggling to avoid foreclosure and possibly as many as 40% next year is a bit hairy.

    In one sense they need to depreciate the dollar but its like trying to lose weight by throwing yourself off a cliff. No doubt Youngdan will be along later to suggest that printing dollars has no effect in an economy with a massively hidden deficit but if that was the case they should have just given everyone a million dollars two years ago and then everybody'd be millionaires.

    Don't particularly like taking the Cassandra role but if QE2 doesn't work with the world sailing into currency protectionism then its going to be volatile next year.
    Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.

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    Just checked out the éirígí website. They are saying oppose the cutbacks - nothing else. That is the be all and end all of their analysis.

    Where is the left in Ireland? Are there no people in the country at all looking at it's long term future? Not to be condesending about the native people of South America but I've been looking at some of their literature in recent days and even the most humble organisation has a better understanding of the socio-economic system they are living under than parties full of well educated people in Ireland. It is quite baffling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concernedparent View Post
    There are millions to be saved across the public sector if only things were looked a t in a different way. Outside the box so to speak.

    But there is a marked reluctance to look at things in a different way. The slash and burn policies of our present incumbents are the lazy man's way to deal with things.

    Basically, its the easiest way to either hold onto or collect the monies that the government can think of.

    Like I said the lazy man's way.
    The one thing we must keep engraved on our memories here is that the people in Leinster House are very capable of thinking outside the box when need be.

    In September 2008 they basically stuck their two fingers up at the EU and went with a solo run on the Bank Guarantee because their companions in Leinster House "that fateful night" told them to do so.

    The austerity measures we are seeing now are nothing to do with EU/IMF opinion (it's a bonus that the EU like them) they are to do with the lurkers pushing this agenda forward in the hope that we won't notice them stealing the National Assets.

    FF and their friends do not give a damn what anyone thinks of them as long as they can fulfill their agenda.

    I would put my trust in SF any day of the week before I would give it to FF and I really don't say that lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ang View Post
    The austerity measures we are seeing now are nothing to do with EU/IMF opinion (it's a bonus that the EU like them) they are to do with the lurkers pushing this agenda forward in the hope that we won't notice them stealing the National Assets.

    FF and their friends do not give a damn what anyone thinks of them as long as they can fulfill their agenda.

    I would put my trust in SF any day of the week before I would give it to FF and I really don't say that lightly.
    The plundering of the national treasury taking place in Ireland is in the penny ante stakes compared to what has taken place in the USA, a place the Shinners appear to view as some sort of model. Anyone putting any degree of trust in SF is making a serious mistake in my opinion.
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Just checked out the éirígí website. They are saying oppose the cutbacks - nothing else. That is the be all and end all of their analysis.

    Where is the left in Ireland? Are there no people in the country at all looking at it's long term future? Not to be condesending about the native people of South America but I've been looking at some of their literature in recent days and even the most humble organisation has a better understanding of the socio-economic system they are living under than parties full of well educated people in Ireland. It is quite baffling.
    The SWP also has a slogan about fight back against cut backs. The Socialist Party say that a mass party should be built - I think you know their positions.

    In a discussion here yesterday about the need for a transitional programme, a WP supporter considered it unneccessary or premature.

    It appears to me that the Left in ireland is lagging both behind the situation and the level of consciousness of people - it's commonplace to hear people talking about the need for revolution (although in the most general way). The Left parties, in fairness, are like everyone else just emerging from a boom that had a deranging effect.

    I watched a student demonstration recently that looked like the launch of a product with Irish Models inc. to brighten it up. Only people over 60 seem to remember how to organise meetings and demonstrate, if the Medical cards/pensions demonstrations are anything to go by.

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    Always found it remarkable that there is a body of people across Fianna Fail and Fine Gael forever warning of the dangers of socialism when as far as I know there has never been a socialist government in Ireland nor anything like it.

    The traditional fear on the socially conservative island is of an ideological redistribution of wealth and high taxes and we have just had the former in the manner of a third of the country's GPD being handed to a bent bank just to keep the books closed and the latter is about to hit the lower-middle to middle class hard.

    Just goes to show if you switch labels on a box you can sell ***** as sugar alright.
    Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    In a discussion here yesterday about the need for a transitional programme, a WP supporter considered it unneccessary or premature.
    What thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    The plundering of the national treasury taking place in Ireland is in the penny ante stakes compared to what has taken place in the USA, a place the Shinners appear to view as some sort of model. Anyone putting any degree of trust in SF is making a serious mistake in my opinion.
    It's not just the plundering SL it's the Guarantee, any Government that can do that to their people is beyond contempt.

    I do not believe in violence and I would be the sort of person people would know would not be drawn to SF.

    I make the comparison to show my deepest contempt for what FF have done to this Country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ang View Post
    It's not just the plundering SL it's the Guarantee, any Government that can do that to their people is beyond contempt.

    I do not believe in violence and I would be the sort of person people would know would not be drawn to SF.

    I make the comparison to show my deepest contempt for what FF have done to this Country.
    I fully understand where you are coming from. At the same time I think people need to grasp that the problems confronting us are systemic ones. Ireland may be worse off because of an astonishingly venal political culture but the whole capitalist sytem is in crisis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    What thread?


    http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=4935

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